American politics

[robp135]

The level of corruption in USA makes the PGMOL appear positively competent!

Supreme Court ruling ushers in a new era of gerrymandering

The Supreme Court has ruled that, under the Voting Rights Act, Congressional districts can no longer be drawn along racial lines, but can be shaped by partisan aims. The result: A dash to re-draw voting districts in several states. What does this portend for democracy?

www.cbsnews.com

By upholding US law. These rules assumed racial discrimination. In US law you cannot assume intent, you have to prove it.

 

[LutonSpurs]

No. You just ask for it to use actual VAERS data.

Or you keep pushing, as you said you did, and eventually it conforms to your bias. It's how LLMs work

 

[robp135]

Or you keep pushing, as you said you did, and eventually it conforms to your bias. It's how LLMs work

I provided actual data. Marty provided screenshots of his Google search. Nice try though son.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I provided actual data. Marty provided screenshots of his Google search. Nice try though son.

TBF it was a cut and paste job from you from a chat bot, I just screen shot mine rather than cut and paste, so its essentially the exact same thing.

That aside I did search the https://vaers.hhs.gov website for the data you posted about X number of deaths per year since 1990 was it? Absolutely nowhere to be found, even with an AI scrap of the website

You have any actual links to that data on the VAERS site or a resource?

 

[glasgowspur]

TBF it was a cut and paste job from you from a chat bot, I just screen shot mine rather than cut and paste, so its essentially the exact same thing.

That aside I did search the https://vaers.hhs.gov website for the data you posted about X number of deaths per year since 1990 was it? Absolutely nowhere to be found, even with an AI scrap of the website

You have any actual links to that data on the VAERS site or a resource?

I have no idea what vaers is or which government is publishing it.
What I can tell you is that the NRS (Scottish Ons) until covid had the records of deaths in Scotland going back to 1994 on the front page of their website.
Since covid it's buried in the website and not easy to find.
I use it every couple of months for work.
Make of that what you will.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I have no idea what vaers is or which government is publishing it.
What I can tell you is that the NRS (Scottish Ons) until covid had the records of deaths in Scotland going back to 1994 on the front page of their website.
Since covid it's buried in the website and not easy to find.
I use it every couple of months for work.
Make of that what you will.

Is it still there, even if buried? Specifically relating to MMR vaccine deaths??

 

[robp135]

Is it still there, even if buried? Specifically relating to MMR vaccine deaths??

Worth knowing that the MMR and other vaccincr which will be given in Scotland, or any other country for that matter, will differ to the US and other countries. Not manufacturer, the viral strain, additional ingredients. In addition when those vaccines are recommended to be taken and what other vaccines have been taken within the same timeframe. So there may or may not be any correlation between vaccine injury and death from one country to another.

 

[glasgowspur]

Is it still there, even if buried? Specifically relating to MMR vaccine deaths??

It doesn't give causes, only the total number of deaths per month and year from the 90s to present day.
There is another one, shorter time scale, that gives age ranges, but I'm not very familiar with that one.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

It doesn't give causes, only the total number of deaths per month and year from the 90s to present day.
There is another one, shorter time scale, that gives age ranges, but I'm not very familiar with that one.

Sorry if I am being thick, is that data just general deaths or its specifically related to vaccine administration?

 

[robp135]

It doesn't give causes, only the total number of deaths per month and year from the 90s to present day.
There is another one, shorter time scale, that gives age ranges, but I'm not very familiar with that one.

What were the numbers before it was hidden?

 

[glasgowspur]

Sorry if I am being thick, is that data just general deaths or its specifically related to vaccine administration?

Just general deaths.

 

[glasgowspur]

What were the numbers before it was hidden?

This is linked to my job and I'm a bit analytical with it, so forgive me if I go into too much detail.
In Scotland in 1994 there were 60020 deaths.
Between 1994 and the mid 2000s it drops to the low 50ks, it then climbs back up and in the first year of covid there 60019 deaths.
A reasonable guide 10% of population will die each year. *
With a considerable increase in the population there were actually less deaths than there were.
Now, this my gripe with the whole covid affair, and bear in mind that this is linked to my job, a job that I do very well at, the reporting of the deaths was highly dubious.
It was almost always given either in a % or in isolation with no context.
That imho is why the information which easily available became hidden away.

Deaths is both very easy to predict and very difficult to predict, we know within certain parameters how many people will die in a year, but we have little idea when.
It can be a harsh winter, a bad flu strain, a hot summer or neither of these and natural causes spread out over the year.

* this is purely accidental, I stopped to reply to a text from my wife and when I came back it was set to bold and I don't know how to take it off. Don't read anything into the bold .

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

This is linked to my job and I'm a bit analytical with it, so forgive me if I go into too much detail.
In Scotland in 1994 there were 60020 deaths.
Between 1994 and the mid 2000s it drops to the low 50ks, it then climbs back up and in the first year of covid there 60019 deaths.
A reasonable guide 10% of population will die each year. *
With a considerable increase in the population there were actually less deaths than there were.
Now, this my gripe with the whole covid affair, and bear in mind that this is linked to my job, a job that I do very well at, the reporting of the deaths was highly dubious.
It was almost always given either in a % or in isolation with no context.
That imho is why the information which easily available became hidden away.

Deaths is both very easy to predict and very difficult to predict, we know within certain parameters how many people will die in a year, but we have little idea when.
It can be a harsh winter, a bad flu strain, a hot summer or neither of these and natural causes spread out over the year.

* this is purely accidental, I stopped to reply to a text from my wife and when I came back it was set to bold and I don't know how to take it off. Don't read anything into the bold .

Interesting......

I think Covid has muddied water on peoples views on vaccines in general, well I know it has, as I say my Mum was bought back to work post NHS retirement to help run a task force in the area and get people and their kids in for their jabs because Measles was spreading about in young unvaxxed kids and thats hella dangerous. Essex & Herts have had a huge fluctuation in take ups.

Talking to the UK solely and accepting I am no data expert, taking Covid out of the mix and focussing solely on MMR, I can't find any data on deaths in young children from the vaccine and the historic data on lives saved is over the millions in the UK alone since its introduction.

 

[glasgowspur]

Interesting......

I think Covid has muddied water on peoples views on vaccines in general, well I know it has, as I say my Mum was bought back to work post NHS retirement to help run a task force in the area and get people and their kids in for their jabs because Measles was spreading about in young unvaxxed kids and thats hella dangerous. Essex & Herts have had a huge fluctuation in take ups.

Talking to the UK solely and accepting I am no data expert, taking Covid out of the mix and focussing solely on MMR, I can't find any data on deaths in young children from the vaccine and the historic data on lives saved is over the millions in the UK alone since its introduction.

I have no issue with vaccines.
I don't believe vaccination is a cause of autism or adhd.
I do have huge issues with how the covid vaccination was handled, not the vaccine, but the vaccination.

 

[glasgowspur]

Interesting......

I think Covid has muddied water on peoples views on vaccines in general, well I know it has, as I say my Mum was bought back to work post NHS retirement to help run a task force in the area and get people and their kids in for their jabs because Measles was spreading about in young unvaxxed kids and thats hella dangerous. Essex & Herts have had a huge fluctuation in take ups.

Talking to the UK solely and accepting I am no data expert, taking Covid out of the mix and focussing solely on MMR, I can't find any data on deaths in young children from the vaccine and the historic data on lives saved is over the millions in the UK alone since its introduction.

BTW, just as an aside, one creditable theory for the drop in the 90s is WW2.
Deaths in the war were deaths that would have happened in that period.

 

[LutonSpurs]

We have to consider that in the last 15 years people have decided to abandon medical consensus over unqualified internet speak. And the impact is starting to be seen. Highly dangerous. People have ultimately decided that the people who have given their life to studying and understanding infectious disease are liars or that they don't understand disease as well as a dik on the internet. Tragic.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

We have to consider that in the last 15 years people have decided to abandon medical consensus over unqualified internet speak. And the impact is starting to be seen. Highly dangerous. People have ultimately decided that the people who have given their life to studying and understanding infectious disease are liars or that they don't understand disease as well as a dik on the internet. Tragic.

It's like anything in life..... you're searching for people of honesty, good faith and sincerity.

You can find people on the internet just as qualified as the scientists and medical professionals who aren't.

Furthermore the scientists/researchers/medical experts rarely run the companies they work for, they are coal face workers.

And whether you're a Youtuber or big pharma....how much does the money matter?...if it matters more than meeting the three criteria in my original sentence, then in this line of work (peoples health) you're a disgrace.

 

[LutonSpurs]

It's like anything in life..... you're searching for people of honesty, good faith and sincerity.

You can find people on the internet just as qualified as the scientists and medical professionals who aren't.

Furthermore the scientists/researchers/medical experts rarely run the companies they work for, they are coal face workers.

And whether you're a Youtuber or big pharma....how much does the money matter?...if it matters more than meeting the three criteria in my original sentence, then in this line of work (peoples health) you're a disgrace.

This is it. End of.