Igor the Interim

[Mikey10]

Dude has to play to the strengths of what he has in the current scenario. His ideas won't have time to bed.

I don't think anyone's ideas will have time to bed - we have nine games. It's all about vibes and motivation.

Is he the man for that? I can't see it.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don't think anyone's ideas will have time to bed - we have nine games. It's all about vibes and motivation.

Is he the man for that? I can't see it.

He is as far removed from a vibes man as anyone could be

 

[DubSpur]

I don't think anyone's ideas will have time to bed - we have nine games. It's all about vibes and motivation.

Is he the man for that? I can't see it.

Just go back to basics, and play players in their correct position, no need for any extravagant system. After that get the players motivated to give everything.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Dude has to play to the strengths of what he has in the current scenario. His ideas won't have time to bed.

The problem is our strengths are having half a team of industrious CMs who can't pass. I'm not sure how you shape that into anything.

 

[LutonSpurs]

We are effed basically. What a squad to give the fella

 

[braineclipse]

He got those results in Italy with players more used to that system.

We're playing midfielders and full backs out of position in a back 3 that they have never played in before. Not only is it a back 3 but it's one where the LCB and RCB are supposed to get forward more. That's a recipe for disaster.

Also, having a traditional winger isn't a prerequisite to playing a back 4. A 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 doesn't use traditional wingers. Both would suit the players available.

Being short of creativity in midfield is a big problem, so why then would you take Gray, the best passer in midfield that we have available, and put him in any position besides CM?

Tudors set up of the team has been a joke.

Just to note ....

Porro the WB/FB he's played at RCB

Traditional wingers (if that's what he wants) are a dying breed anyway. Wide forwards or inverting widemen are much more common. Tel is one of them.

Agreed that we have some wide options that aren't typical wingers. Most of the time that requires width from an attacking full back, no? We did have Porro back last game, but there's been a real shortage there too. My point is that no matter how we line up it's going to be imbalanced. Tudor should imo do what he knows best and is the best at.

 

[DubSpur]

Agreed that we have some wide options that aren't typical wingers. Most of the time that requires width from an attacking full back, no? We did have Porro back last game, but there's been a real shortage there too. My point is that no matter how we line up it's going to be imbalanced. Tudor should imo do what he knows best and is the best at.

Porro, Spence, and Udogie all can attack, even Souza looks decent going forward.

He should do what's best with the players he has, and get the maximum out of them, not play a system just because it's what he knows best. Porro at RCB, Xavi at LW, Gray at WB, and Palhinha at CB is not getting the most out of those players.

 

[braineclipse]

Porro, Spence, and Udogie all can attack, even Souza looks decent going forward.

He should do what's best with the players he has, and get the maximum out of them, not play a system just because it's what he knows best. Porro at RCB, Xavi at LW, Gray at WB, and Palhinha at CB is not getting the most out of those players.

My point was about what he's had available so far. To me there haven't been many realist options that didn't include playing players out of position regardless of formation.

 

[DubSpur]

My point was about what he's had available so far. To me there haven't been many realist options that didn't include playing players out of position regardless of formation.

There was. He could've played a back 4, Porro, VdV, Danso, and Souza. He'd plenty of options in midfield. Gray, Palhinha, as the two if playing a 4231, Tel, Xavi, Muani as the 3 and Solanke up front. Every player there in their correct position. There's other options besides that too.

 

[monkeybarry]

The problem is our strengths are having half a team of industrious CMs who can't pass. I'm not sure how you shape that into anything.

1990s Wimbledon or Bolton, it's the only way!

 

[Mr Gogolak]

There was. He could've played a back 4, Porro, VdV, Danso, and Souza. He'd plenty of options in midfield. Gray, Palhinha, as the two if playing a 4231, Tel, Xavi, Muani as the 3 and Solanke up front. Every player there in their correct position. There's other options besides that too.

Yeah but that implies a lot of other things that no manager would be willing to do. Despite what Redknapp used to say, sending the lads out there to kick a ball isn't enough. You have a whole coaching set up with exercices designed to create patterns of play.

Changing your system basically means throwing away your little black book that you have patiently put together for your whole career. Of course, you can do that - in some cases, you should do that, for instance if you've spent a long time at the same club and you want to freshen things up but it's a lot of work and there's no guarantee you will get it right the first time around.

You'll make mistakes and you will gradually refine your training plan and your individual sessions. That's why people are usually willing to compromise (for instance, Mourinho giving more freedom to Aurier than he would to an ordinary right-back) but you won't find many people willing to get back to square one for twelve games.

These guys have a method and it works. It works because if it didn't, they wouldn't get these jobs in the first place. That's why Frank stuck to what he knew and that's why Tudor will probably stick to his system. He may fine-tune a few aspects to fit what he has available, but I really can't see him converting to a classic 4-2-3-1.

 

[DubSpur]

Yeah but that implies a lot of other things that no manager would be willing to do. Despite what Redknapp used to say, sending the lads out there to kick a ball isn't enough. You have a whole coaching set up with exercices designed to create patterns of play.

Changing your system basically means throwing away your little black book that you have patiently put together for your whole career. Of course, you can do that - in some cases, you should do that, for instance if you've spent a long time at the same club and you want to freshen things up but it's a lot of work and there's no guarantee you will get it right the first time around.

You'll make mistakes and you will gradually refine your training plan and your individual sessions. That's why people are usually willing to compromise (for instance, Mourinho giving more freedom to Aurier than he would to an ordinary right-back) but you won't find many people willing to get back to square one for twelve games.

These guys have a method and it works. It works because if it didn't, they wouldn't get these jobs in the first place. That's why Frank stuck to what he knew and that's why Tudor will probably stick to his system. He may fine-tune a few aspects to fit what he has available, but I really can't see him converting to a classic 4-2-3-1.

And he will fail playing a system that the players aren't able to play. It's the coach that needs to be flexible, the players don't have the ability.
If he was hired knowing that he would only play with a back 3 (he did play against Fulham with a back 4) then whoever hired him should be immediately sacked.