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Igor the Interim

veryoldspur said:
We have 12 available first team players and we employ a coach who plays a high tempo game. It won't be long until we are down to 6 players, a dog and a horse
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I make it 14 outfield including Romero, has someone else got the injury curse ?
Dragusin, Palhinha, Simons, Biss, Tel, Gray, Solanke, Gallaher,Spence, Sarr, VDV, Souza and Kolo
 
Sandman said:
I dont get this appointment at all. I will sit back and hope for the best. Another waste of a season.

We will if we are lucky barely scrape not getting relegated. Got nowhere in both cup competitions. And next season we will have no europe for a bloated squad. We jump from one kind of manager to another.

This appointment is what is is. Uninspiring.
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perhaps they already have someone ready but only after the world cup is done
 
SteveAWOL said:
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Christian Gross has a worse win percentage than Thomas Frank!
Although, only just.
34% for Frank, 33% for Gross
That's how brick Frank has been - because Gross surely is the worst manager in the history of the club?
 
harr1984 said:
Frank shouldn't have worked, he is a pragmatic manager despite a few insisting otherwise. And pragmatic doesnt work at this club, can be debated all day long whether that's right or not but they just don't work here and what happened was exactly as predicted....
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What does being pragmatic even mean in this context?

Surely we want Tudor to do whatever it takes (within some level of reason) to make sure we don't get relegated. Whater he thinks that is will be pragmatic. Whatever he thinks that is may be different to what Frank thought that was.

Not having a go at you at all, just the way pragmatic is used around football managers that to me doesn't always make sense.
 
braineclipse said:
What does being pragmatic even mean in this context?

Surely we want Tudor to do whatever it takes (within some level of reason) to make sure we don't get relegated. Whater he thinks that is will be pragmatic. Whatever he thinks that is may be different to what Frank thought that was.

Not having a go at you at all, just the way pragmatic is used around football managers that to me doesn't always make sense.
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I believe being pragmatic is to do things in a sensible and realistic way but in football that usually means being negative and don't take chances. I'm as guilty as most applying the word in football. Most professional sportsmen want to win, when setting out not to lose you change the mindset and pass the advantage to your opponents.
We start most games cautiously and have conceded a goal before we up the tempo.
Whatever happens with Tudor I hope he does as he said and plays to win rather than not to lose.
 
braineclipse said:
What does being pragmatic even mean in this context?

Surely we want Tudor to do whatever it takes (within some level of reason) to make sure we don't get relegated. Whater he thinks that is will be pragmatic. Whatever he thinks that is may be different to what Frank thought that was.

Not having a go at you at all, just the way pragmatic is used around football managers that to me doesn't always make sense.
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No that's absolutely fair, I'd say like for example the definition of 'world class' there are varied views of what that really means.

In terms of Tudor, he is very much a short term objective so he can approach it in whatever way he deems necessary because now more than ever it is very much about getting results full stop.

For me pragmatic is about safety first football, and usually worrying more about what the opposition could do rather than focusing on how we are going to hurt the opposition - there were so many examples of that under Frank both in terms of player selection and general play.....
 
braineclipse said:
What does being pragmatic even mean in this context?

Surely we want Tudor to do whatever it takes (within some level of reason) to make sure we don't get relegated. Whater he thinks that is will be pragmatic. Whatever he thinks that is may be different to what Frank thought that was.

Not having a go at you at all, just the way pragmatic is used around football managers that to me doesn't always make sense.
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I think the pragmatic side is over played slightly, Brentford became a club that scored plenty, loads of 4-1, 5-0, 3-0 in their history under him, scored plenty of goals, outscored those around them. I think his route to getting where he wanted to was wrong, thats why he failed, but Brentford were far from solely pragmatic. Look ultimately he failed, but like you I think pragmatic is used wrongly too often and always conflated with being negative, when sometimes its just structured (I get Frank wasn't here before anyone jumps on that). But plenty of clubs in the world that are pragmatic in their structure and disciplined but very good to watch
 
harr1984 said:
For me pragmatic is about safety first football, and usually worrying more about what the opposition could do rather than focusing on how we are going to hurt the opposition - there were so many examples of that under Frank both in terms of player selection and general play.....
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I think it's ok to accept that in the early months (especially if you think their are valid reasons to adopt such an approach eg shipping goals) but you have to then witness a mutation into a clearer identity and progression of play.

The only caveat, given the timescale, is the injury log jam comes along, so your plans and the way you mapped out things becomes something between a little fragmented and constantly fire fighting
 
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