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Transfer thread

DaveT316 said:
That's almost exactly as I have it - with Wharton, Agahowa and Diomande the dream signings to plug those holes. GHod knows on GK. I'd take Paulhinha for c.£10m if it didn't impact our other signings.
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Raziel said:
Palhinha's option price is pretty much academy kid money anyway, we would be negligent not to pick him up
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It depends if he is prepared to be a squad player that’s used in certain games.
 
I am unsurprised and feel sorry for Frank.
We whiffed at the chance to get Semenyo in the early summer, and between MGW and Robertson, we seem to be getting stuck in 'transfers' which then fall apart for 'intangible' reasons.
I think the biggest 'crime' of this window happened in Oct/Nov with Paratici. Someone gave him an official job again and figured he was spearheading movement in this and the summer windows, someone didn't either read the man or the room, he essentially dumps us at the first sniff of better (if you believe the rumours because he felt manager and Lange should be punted), so the guy whose basket we put our eggs in has essentially downed tools, meaning the most we can do is put him on a short-term 'freeze' and try to muddle our way through things last-minute.
If generous, you'd say this is the new 'structure' finding their feet. I think it's a mess TBH.
 
metalgear said:
i think bergvall will be here but dragusin's agent will surely be at it again.

between romero and vdv - i value vdv more
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Liverpool want Bergvall and he has ambition. Gallagher is also a very similar player to him, so he's one we could spare as we scale down the squad for a post-europe era
 
braineclipse said:
So 3-5 years of signing 3 elite quality players per year, price range of 60-100m each? Say an average of 70m so that's 210m on those per season/year + increased wages and some spending on younger players and we'll be in a good place?

Sure that would probably work if we could make that happen financially.

I agree that at this point quality over quantity along with a focus on young proper talents. I just don't see it as likely that we can spend that much, and if we did we'd need to see results on the pitch quicker than a 3-5 year period.
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I was factoring in sales as well. I know as Spurs fans we forget that angle as, Harry aside, we've been so bad at it in these recent years.

I think you rebuild your transfer kitty from player sales as you strengthen. You also have a great academy and the ones that don't make it still bring in a decent fee. It should all net against the transfer spend.

Hypothetical equation but say we eventually sell Romero, like we did with Harry. Vuskovic steps in and picks up where Cuti left off. We're £60-80m in the black before spend on a couple of players. Ditto with Moore or LWB becoming next season's Johnson in the current equation.

I think the model will need tweaking every year to what works for Spurs. It's all about having the right squad strategy based on quality (1st team) AND quantity (academy). My 2 + 1 + academy promotions is just a loose rule of thumb.

As for this summer, what could we recoup for the following?

Davies - Zero
Biss - Zero
Vic - ???
Dragusin - ???
Bentancur - ???
Richi - ???
Unwanted loanees - Solomon, Veliz, Devine, Donley etc ???

Can we get one extra player more than the obvious targets of new keeper, Palhinha (permie) and Wharton? Does the financial equation allow us to buy one lethal attacker as well? It probably does to be fair.

I'd settle for that.
 
thfcsteff said:
I am unsurprised and feel sorry for Frank.
We whiffed at the chance to get Semenyo in the early summer, and between MGW and Robertson, we seem to be getting stuck in 'transfers' which then fall apart for 'intangible' reasons.
I think the biggest 'crime' of this window happened in Oct/Nov with Paratici. Someone gave him an official job again and figured he was spearheading movement in this and the summer windows, someone didn't either read the man or the room, he essentially dumps us at the first sniff of better (if you believe the rumours because he felt manager and Lange should be punted), so the guy whose basket we put our eggs in has essentially downed tools, meaning the most we can do is put him on a short-term 'freeze' and try to muddle our way through things last-minute.
If generous, you'd say this is the new 'structure' finding their feet. I think it's a mess TBH.
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Paratici clearly felt more loyalty to Levy than Spurs, and as you said, someone failed to read the man on that one. And having him half operate when his mind was clearly elsewhere (transferring Solomon to his new club is perfect example) is a second piece of bad judgement. We would have been better off going it alone or paying some kind of consulting team for short term.

I also feel somewhere in the club there has been a pivot to PL players (Semenyo, Eze, MGW, Robertson, Kudus, Johnson, Solanke) which on paper seems a reasonable take, it's harder and more expensive to pull off. For me, Romero, Porro, VDV. Danso, Palhinha, Udogie, Sarr, Bergvall, Xavi - everyone cost less than either Johnson or Kudus, less competition and able to pull over the line without the drama.

If you were to evaluate this window based on what was said
- We targeted Semenyo, Robertson & Jones/Gallagher (lines up with my concerns about PL only focus)
- Souza & Wilson are Academy buys

Semenyo was dead in the water after summer, too many bigger clubs wanted and were willing to pay for him. Robertson I think was an opportunistic pull forward that maybe we didn't really care if it came off now/then, Gallagher was an easy highjack.

Being generous, we only managed a transfer where another club had done all the pre-work and we just needed to come in with a higher bid. Other than that, we achieved nothing.

I for the life of me cannot believe there wasn't one player to buy or loan in Europe that couldn't help us, we couldn't even find a fudging Werner?

And on top of that this summer was always going to be difficult with WC and with several of our players on the way out (Davies/Biss for sure, likely Vic, Bentancur, maybe one of CBs, Richi? loan ends for RKM and Palhinha), getting one or two in now would have been a huge advantage.

Edit: and again, we have not helped the manager
 
Raziel said:
Paratici clearly felt more loyalty to Levy than Spurs, and as you said, someone failed to read the man on that one. And having him half operate when his mind was clearly elsewhere (transferring Solomon to his new club is perfect example) is a second piece of bad judgement. We would have been better off going it alone or paying some kind of consulting team for short term.

I also feel somewhere in the club there has been a pivot to PL players (Semenyo, Eze, MGW, Robertson, Kudus, Johnson, Solanke) which on paper seems a reasonable take, it's harder and more expensive to pull off. For me, Romero, Porro, VDV. Danso, Palhinha, Udogie, Sarr, Bergvall, Xavi - everyone cost less than either Johnson or Kudus, less competition and able to pull over the line without the drama.

If you were to evaluate this window based on what was said
- We targeted Semenyo, Robertson & Jones/Gallagher (lines up with my concerns about PL only focus)
- Souza & Wilson are Academy buys

Semenyo was dead in the water after summer, too many bigger clubs wanted and were willing to pay for him. Robertson I think was an opportunistic pull forward that maybe we didn't really care if it came off now/then, Gallagher was an easy highjack.

Being generous, we only managed a transfer where another club had done all the pre-work and we just needed to come in with a higher bid. Other than that, we achieved nothing.

I for the life of me cannot believe there wasn't one player to buy or loan in Europe that couldn't help us, we couldn't even find a fudging Werner?

And on top of that this summer was always going to be difficult with WC and with several of our players on the way out (Davies/Biss for sure, likely Vic, Bentancur, maybe one of CBs, Richi? loan ends for RKM and Palhinha), getting one or two in now would have been a huge advantage.

Edit: and again, we have not helped the manager
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Rumour is we turned down Durnan on loan.

If it's true he would have helped out, I'm not sure why we would have turned it down unless the loan fee was through the roof

Rotation option for Dom and allows RKM to cover the LW / second forward option.
 
Muttley said:
I was factoring in sales as well. I know as Spurs fans we forget that angle as, Harry aside, we've been so bad at it in these recent years.

I think you rebuild your transfer kitty from player sales as you strengthen. You also have a great academy and the ones that don't make it still bring in a decent fee. It should all net against the transfer spend.

Hypothetical equation but say we eventually sell Romero, like we did with Harry. Vuskovic steps in and picks up where Cuti left off. We're £60-80m in the black before spend on a couple of players. Ditto with Moore or LWB becoming next season's Johnson in the current equation.

I think the model will need tweaking every year to what works for Spurs. It's all about having the right squad strategy based on quality (1st team) AND quantity (academy). My 2 + 1 + academy promotions is just a loose rule of thumb.

As for this summer, what could we recoup for the following?

Davies - Zero
Biss - Zero
Vic - ???
Dragusin - ???
Bentancur - ???
Richi - ???
Unwanted loanees - Solomon, Veliz, Devine, Donley etc ???

Can we get one extra player more than the obvious targets of new keeper, Palhinha (permie) and Wharton? Does the financial equation allow us to buy one lethal attacker as well? It probably does to be fair.

I'd settle for that.
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I feel we’re two short in the front line - a top drawer LWF - Diomande? - and an Agahowa type - age / ability profile, not necessarily same style - to challenge Dom.

A lot will depend on where we finish and how able the owners are to pump in the required cash as for those two alone you’d be looking at around £150m.
 
Legohamster said:
Rumour is we turned down Durnan on loan.

If it's true he would have helped out, I'm not sure why we would have turned it down unless the loan fee was through the roof

Rotation option for Dom and allows RKM to cover the LW / second forward option.
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Duran has some well known off-pitch issues (lack of professionalism). I dont think he'll get a move back up to a big 4 league again
 
DaveT316 said:
I feel we’re two short in the front line - a top drawer LWF - Diomande? - and an Agahowa type - age / ability profile, not necessarily same style - to challenge Dom.

A lot will depend on where we finish and how able the owners are to pump in the required cash as for those two alone you’d be looking at around £150m.
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That's my point above. So are we going to try and plug every gap and sacrifice quality based on the budget constraint? My advice is STOP DOING THAT !!!

So if we sign a new keeper, Palhinha, Wharton, a LWF and a number 9 then that's 5. Then someone will come along and say that Dragusin needs replacing as Vuskovic is on loan and not quite ready and then that become 6. Then someone else will say that Johnson was never replaced and it becomes 7. Then we have a very normal Spurs transfer window and suffer mediocrity downstream.

Then the kids leave as their path is blocked by a bloated squad and on and on and on and on.

This is exactly how Spurs have operated for a very long time.
 
Legohamster said:
Rumour is we turned down Durnan on loan.

If it's true he would have helped out, I'm not sure why we would have turned it down unless the loan fee was through the roof

Rotation option for Dom and allows RKM to cover the LW / second forward option.
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Would surely have done no worse than Werner…

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