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OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur v Brentford FC ***

thfcsteff said:
I'll pick this up in detail later. Kudus is our only double-teamed outlet and often isolated. Odobert looked fine to me today. Frank has ruined Tel this season (it is clear he doesn't want him) he puts Muani left instead of trying 4-4-2...these are not amazing players but they are a hell of a lot better than we're seeing.

fudge it.
Sell half of them, sell Romero, buy Collins, give Toney 500k a week...
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A competent Left Winger and a Striker would do, any club that needs or wants to be progressive relies on that. We have neither to the level this club demands

I would want that for Frank or anyone who was the manager currently.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
I am asking a simple either or question. Would you prefer we played expansive football and lost? Or ground out a draw, and tried to win it with our limited forwards?

There has to be some realism. We aren't going to play expansive football away at a team that has lost just once at home, and get anything but sharfted.
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But that isn't a question based in reality, it's not either or. We could play expansive football and it increases our chances of losing, but it will also increase our chances of winning. Long term to get where we want to be we can't rely on playing saftey first football and getting a draw against a midtable team. But if you're happy with this style than enjoy it while you can, if it continues with the results as they are and no progress Frank won't last beyond the end of the season.
 
Mikey10 said:
I lost count of the amount of times our midfield players misplaced simple passes and through balls that would have released our forwards (although, granted, Richarlison or Muani would probably have tripped over the ball).
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This is a big part of the problem. Too many say our attackers are poor, but the transition is shocking, and the supporting movement is so slow. By the time we have assessed whether there is defensive danger or not (I'm assuming this is why we attack so slow) the opposition team is back containing us.

I don't see Madison being the solution in a workman like attack, so that leaves Kulu only to try and improve the transition. I think Solanke will improve the pressing but I don't think he will improve our attacking threat.
 
thfcsteff said:
Having taken off our best creative attacking player 20 mins earlier in a not-even like for like sub. Please. You'll have to do better than tell he showed intent to win that game; steal it maybe.




Tell me who would make a difference in this horrific style and setup? You can't say Harry Kane 😉




Please stop using last season as some sort of mitigation for this rubbish: unless we really want to perpetuate that conversation???
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Until Odobert learns to supply a final ball he’s out of his depth. He’d had a good portion of the game to make a real difference. He didn’t.

Anyone who can stay on their feet, take up decent attacking positions and hold up the ball (i.e. Solanke) will be an improvement on Richarlison, and also on anything we’ve seen from Muani so far.

I’m not mitigating anything. While I’d take tonight every time over almost everything I saw in the league last year, I’m more interested in seeing it as a stage on a journey from where we were to where we are hopefully going. Hope that meets with your approval. 😃
 
Mikey10 said:
Until Odobert learns to supply a final ball he’s out of his depth. He’d had a good portion of the game to make a re difference. He didn’t.

Anyone who can stay on their feet, take up decent attacking positions and hold up the ball will be an improvement on Richarlison, and also on anything we’ve seen from Muani so far.

I’m not mitigating anything. While I’d take tonight every time over almost everything I saw in the league last year, I’m more interested in seeing it as a stage on a journey from where we were to where we are hopefully going. Hope that meets with your approval. 😃
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Nah Mikey, you're better than a snide like that.
You can play this as me taking a stand which needs 'approval', the truth is you have been equally dismissive of any criticisms of Frank or perceived lack of patience.
So let's be gentlemen here and call THAT situation a draw.
 
Mikey10 said:
Until Odobert learns to supply a final ball he’s out of his depth. He’d had a good portion of the game to make a re difference. He didn’t.

Anyone who can stay on their feet, take up decent attacking positions and hold up the ball will be an improvement on Richarlison, and also on anything we’ve seen from Muani so far.

I’m not mitigating anything. While I’d take tonight every time over almost everything I saw in the league last year, I’m more interested in seeing it as a stage on a journey from where we were to where we are hopefully going. Hope that meets with your approval. 😃
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Odobert doesn't need to learn to supply a final ball (fudge!)

The manager needs to build patterns that Odobert knows what the play/pass is before he gets it, that others will make runs and he knows where those runs will be.

The reason we look like we can't pass is because we have no fudging patterns, so literally a player gets the ball, has to look up and wonder where the fudge his teammates are, and in that time either gets closed or the opposition gets time to read the pass. This is 100% on manager
 
thfcsteff said:
No.
I'd prefer us to play more expansive football and win.
Did you applaud Vic getting a yellow for time-wasting in the 60th minute?
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Hold on for a second! Didn’t we have a gilt edge chance to win the game Richarlison shooting from a couple of feet behind the pen spot? As well as a number of other half chances?

Frank had all our available attackers on the pitch! 🤣

Tel ✅
Richarlison ✅
Mauni ✅
Kudu through the middle ✅
 
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DubSpur said:
It's a good point but a poor performance, the two thinks are seperate.
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I beg to differ. Missing a lot of players. Over Christmas having played recently. There was huge graft shown to keep them out - no mean feat. A very strong home side. And we broke better than we have been often and treated the better openings according to XG. We have issues in the final third, less of the final ball today, more the finishing. But I think Rixhi was tired. French he might have bagged a goal.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Hold on for a second! Didn’t we have a gilt edge chance to win the game Richarlison shooting from a couple of feet behind the pen spot? As well as a number of other half changes?

Frank had all our available attackers on the pitch! 🤣

Tel ✅
Richarlison ✅
Mauni ✅
Kudu through the middle ✅
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Have you ever watched any old
keystone cops films? Even Marx Bros The Big Store?
There was no cohesive plan.
 
thfcsteff said:
A 'negative dreamer' eh? You'll have to explain that.
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Negative as what you witnessed was a gritty professional performance from a stretched squad. You can laud that performance, under the circumstances. Everyone focused. And we created the better chances to win it.

Dreamer because in our current form we’re never showing up there and playing expansive football and doing anything but losing.
 
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