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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

Daisuk said:
I listened to The Extra Inch today and heard them comparing stats between Bentancur, Phalinha and other central midfielders - basically describing Bentancur as "coward" as he always chooses the safe option, he basically never progresses the ball either by foot or by pass. Same with Phalinha, but he's meant to be a destroyer, of course, and does that job well. It's baffling that we have started so many games with those two on the pitch together (or with Bentancur in particular).

I think we need to get a midfielder able to pass and progress the ball, as well as withstand pressure, in for Bentancur - should be a main priority in Jan, if we can get one in.
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Bentancur isn't the main problem, it's the system, he has no options because we are set up so conservatively when we have the ball.
 
DubSpur said:
But there is no risk in any of our passing, it's all safe. We're never going to progress that way. While our midfield isn't world class it's also not that bad that it can't play forward. It's also about getting a system embedded into the team. Even if it's not going to work 100% with the players we have now, at least the whole team won't have to learn a new system when we get the type of midfielder that Frank wants in order to be more brave.
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Without Madders and Kulusevski our midfield is woeful at the moment.. Only Bergvall and Simons can break foreward and beat a man to create space, but the latter is still a work in progress while Simons is coming to terms with the speed and time you have in the PL.
Id try and get Scott McTominay. He was criminally underated at Manure.
 
Welshspur60 said:
Without Madders and Kulusevski our midfield is woeful at the moment.. Only Bergvall and Simons can break foreward and beat a man to create space, but the latter is still a work in progress while Simons is coming to terms with the speed and time you have in the PL.
Id try and get Scott McTominay. He was criminally underated at Manure.
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Sorry Bergvall= former 😄
 
Pandy said:
Bentancur isn't the main problem, it's the system, he has no options because we are set up so conservatively when we have the ball.
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Bentancur will only make a pass if it is 99% certain to reach its target. Thus he nearly always plays a VERY safe, short pass backwards.
Bentancur hides, he deliberately cowers in the shadow of the opposition pressing, rather than trying to be the spare man.

He didn't used to be like this.

Spurs are like a boxer that never jabs, never throws a punch, never looks dangerous. So after a few minutes the opponent realises he can just pummel us until we break, as we will never throw a punch back.
 
I find it frustrating, following on from what’s just been said, that we press at the start of the match and then quickly completely abandon it. I want us to be pressing relentlessly, give opponent no time to breathe whilst in possession. I appreciate that we may need to lower it at times but that’s when we should be more deliberate in possession to give a breather.

We need to play with differing tempos in possession and be able to switch it up quickly when required. Few would complain about passing sideways and backwards if at other times we passed and progressed quickly with intent. It’s just that we rarely see the latter.
 
mudshark said:
I wouldn't say we never play the ball forward, but from what I've been seeing recently, to a first approximation, a forward pass equals a turnover, which is why I think he has tended to be so cautious in his approach. What's a bit worrying is that, if anything, that appears to have got worse as time's gone on, rather than better.
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That caution is then also leading to turnovers imo. Players being more concerned about being in the right position if we lose the ball than being in a position to receive it and go forward. To me the caution came first.

We then end up going long quite a bit. But we don't have a great holdup player like Frank had for a good while at least at Brentford in Toney. And while we do have Kudus on the right who imo is exceptional receiving under pressure and progressing the ball on his own we don't have a similar player on the left.

If rumours are to be believed and we're after Semenyo that seems to be the "fix" Frank is aiming at. Having the ability to progress the ball through individual quality down both flanks.
 
Maybe this bloke is the one for us. Seems to have all the credentials, such as blowing a home lead in the Conference League against a Finnish side no one has ever heard of.

Now that’s very Tottenham! 😃

www.theguardian.com

Crystal Palace in Conference playoffs after blowing lead against KuPS

Christantus Uche gave Crystal Palace an early lead but KuPS hit back with goals from Piotr Parzyszek and Ibrahim Cissé before Justin Devenny levelled
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Mikey10 said:
Maybe this bloke is the one for us. Seems to have all the credentials, such as blowing a home lead in the Conference League against a Finnish side no one has ever heard of.

Now that’s very Tottenham! 😃

www.theguardian.com

Crystal Palace in Conference playoffs after blowing lead against KuPS

Christantus Uche gave Crystal Palace an early lead but KuPS hit back with goals from Piotr Parzyszek and Ibrahim Cissé before Justin Devenny levelled
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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To be fair he played reserves and kids, not first teamers, as his next game is in less than 48 hours.
 
Mikey10 said:
Maybe this bloke is the one for us. Seems to have all the credentials, such as blowing a home lead in the Conference League against a Finnish side no one has ever heard of.

Now that’s very Tottenham! 😃

www.theguardian.com

Crystal Palace in Conference playoffs after blowing lead against KuPS

Christantus Uche gave Crystal Palace an early lead but KuPS hit back with goals from Piotr Parzyszek and Ibrahim Cissé before Justin Devenny levelled
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Ugh. It literally proves is doesn't just happen to Tottenham. Every team has brick results. Why is it "very Tottenham"?
 
harr1984 said:
He said he would rest the whole team, and did:
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Why would anyone want a guy who's taken Frankfurt to win the Europa League, Crystal Palace to win the FA Cup, lose their best player and be battling for Champions League places....
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Plays 3 at the back. Do.not.want.😅

On a serious note he clearly knows the system very well and it works for him but I'm utterly biased against a 3 at the back system. I think it's incredibly difficult to play it well and requires real specialists that we we don't really have.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I know what I think is needed
A left back would be massive
Said it loads
Beyond that a ball playing CM, Anderson would be the signing of throw the money at big I’m not convinced he would want to play here currently

The rumours are he is focussing on more attackers. I don’t know if that’s true but that feels mad to me as we have no way of getting the ball to the with the players we have today unless we’re gonna go route 1, which can work with the right players
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If we buy creative midfielders then in 3-4 months time there's going to be an issue with Maddison and Kulu back. There is likely a thought process that goes along the lines of Madders and Kulu being the now, Bergvall and Gray being the future, and therefore bringing a midfielder in overloads that area when everyone is fit.
I'm not saying this is right, but I wonder if that is why we are focused the way we are.

What I do know is that we've gone from Son, Bale, Moura and Kane to Johnson, Kudus, Odobert and Kolo Muani, in 4 years - so we're definitely in deficit up front.
 
we have won 1.33 points per game in the last 100 games.

That's mid table not bottom six or even relegation form. Relegated teams rarely get more than 0.7 points per game.
clownfoot said:
Not arguing the overall point as I tend to agree with overall quality of the squad, but since the start of the 23/24 season there’s been 92 games, not 82. That table is skewed to remove the good start under Ange, what does it show if we include that?
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Surfless said:
If we buy creative midfielders then in 3-4 months time there's going to be an issue with Maddison and Kulu back. There is likely a thought process that goes along the lines of Madders and Kulu being the now, Bergvall and Gray being the future, and therefore bringing a midfielder in overloads that area when everyone is fit.
I'm not saying this is right, but I wonder if that is why we are focused the way we are.
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I'm not sure Maddison has a future here beyond the summer. Kulu had grown well ahead of him for that role when they were both fit. And Simons is the future (Donley potentially in line too).

We're good at 10. It's maybe just a 4th option alongside Gray, Bergvall and Sarr in CM we need. A Wharton or Anderson type.
 
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