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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

Daisuk said:
I don't disagree with us working on the defensive side of things - but we're playing football, we need to score goals as well. We're an extremely professional football club paying millions of pounds to hundreds of employees, yet we can barely muster up a chance while doing the core thing our club is meant to be doing (we get 38 points if we only not let in goals). Why are we not able to do the very core thing we are meant to be doing? I would say coming out saying our main focus is defending, when we can barely create a chance over a number of games, is shooting yourself in the foot. We need to create chances and score goals as well as defend. Our highly professional athletes are able to learn both things. It's their job to do so. It's also Frank's job to help them do so. I dont get this "focus on" thing - of course we have the time and the resources to work on both the defensive, and the offensive side of our game.
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That’s what we are doing first.

Not only what we are going to do.
 
Daisuk said:
I don't disagree with us working on the defensive side of things - but we're playing football, we need to score goals as well. We're an extremely professional football club paying millions of pounds to hundreds of employees, yet we can barely muster up a chance while doing the core thing our club is meant to be doing (we get 38 points if we only not let in goals). Why are we not able to do the very core thing we are meant to be doing? I would say coming out saying our main focus is defending, when we can barely create a chance over a number of games, is shooting yourself in the foot. We need to create chances and score goals as well as defend. Our highly professional athletes are able to learn both things. It's their job to do so. It's also Frank's job to help them do so. I dont get this "focus on" thing - of course we have the time and the resources to work on both the defensive, and the offensive side of our game.
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It's counter productive, if we opt to knock it long and don't keep the ball it's inviting more pressure on the defence. And as we are seeing ours isn't some old school Italian defence capable of soaking it up. I'd be amazed if Frank wasn't working on attacking aspects aswell as the defensive side to be honest....
 
Bishop said:
I don't disagree with him. We need to be able defend better than what we've shown not just under Ange but really since the end of the Poch era. Ange's was particularly bad but explained by his gung ho style, but we need to be able to defend I'm sorry if we don't like it but we can't going into season being happy to concede 60+ goals a season to score 60ish. Thats not going to lead us to anything.

Now what I want is a better balance between the attack and defence and I'm happy to give Frank the time to find that balance (if it's possible with this bunch of players).

For me it always comes down to the same thing, but better or produce better players and you will get better results.
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I don’t think Ange was playing to score 60 to concede 60, just like Frank isn’t playing to score 40 and concede 40. If he was actually able to play his style of football properly an Ange team would score more than Frank’s and concede more too, but the gap in GS/A would be wider.

I absolutely agree we need to defend well and there needs to be balance. I don’t think inherently reactive football means we will concede less. Because if it’s not working, and clicking, we won’t win games.

I think any manager needs time to get their ideas across. Frank is tearing down an old culture to build up a new one. It’s not an easy job. I think it can work, and I want it to work. Because at our best under Frank we will make other teams look naive, and we will look smart. If it comes together.
 
parj said:
But what's the point in football if we can't discuss football? It's not sabotage. we don't kick off every game booing. It usually gets to half time, and the boos are when the floor is being wiped with us. I don't agree with it, but we aren't cheap to watch so people should at least feel like these players, that earn in a week what most wouldnt mind in a year, show some heart and pride in wearing the shirt - oh and they get to play football for a living.

I can't believe anyone is hoping Thomas Frank loses because he is our manager. But we are allowed to be unhappy at the performances, and the tactics.
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Does it help the team and the players to boo though? Do you think that is encouraging and inspiring, or are we perhaps instilling a sense of fear in them? 60k people screaming at you that you are doing a bad job. Those are some work conditions. "They earn so much they should handle it" - they do handle it, but do they play to their best potential when our socalled fans are booing them? I don't think so. The booing in the stands are ridiculous. Let's do the discussions in the pubs and on the internet, I say. Support the team if you're at a game, no matter what. It'll be more helpful to them.
 
Daisuk said:
Does it help the team and the players to boo though? Do you think that is encouraging and inspiring, or are we perhaps instilling a sense of fear in them? 60k people screaming at you that you are doing a bad job. Those are some work conditions. "They earn so much they should handle it" - they do handle it, but do they play to their best potential when our socalled fans are booing them? I don't think so. The booing in the stands are ridiculous. Let's do the discussions in the pubs and on the internet, I say. Support the team if you're at a game, no matter what. It'll be more helpful to them.
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Do you think it's inspiring to not even play football? To barely have a shot on target. To show no heart at all against Arsenal and Chelsea?

If we did that at work, we would be taken aside and probably put on performance review. Customers would complain, give us 1 out of 5 ratings, so it's actually part of life and the workplace - only difference is I would be giving 100% every week doing the greatest job ever and being paid incredibly well
 
One big positive for Frank today is that after confidentially insisting after Arsenal that we’d get a reaction in performance today, we did indeed get one. Clearly the players are still trying to implement his ideas. It was a big call for Frank to make a confident proclamation like that with a game against the European champions next. But he made it and the players stepped up. That’s a good sign.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
One big positive for Frank today is that after confidentially insisting after Arsenal that we’d get a reaction in performance today, we did indeed get one. Clearly the players are still trying to implement his ideas. It was a big call for Frank to make a confident proclamation like that with a game against the European champions next. But he made it and the players stepped up. That’s a good sign.
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It'll be a better sign if we face Fulham with the same intent..and the subsequent games see the same...
 
thfcsteff said:
It'll be a better sign if we face Fulham with the same intent..and the subsequent games see the same...
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As I alluded to yesterday I genuinely think Fulham at home is a tougher match for us. PSG come onto you and give you opportunity to play (not to take anything away from the performance, it was so much better).

We all know Fulham will do anything but play like this. However with the same mindset and similar team selection (although I appreciate might have to rest one or two) then we should fare much better. Even if we don't win, as long as we are trying to play some football. You can see the tone of the board on here, people are happy because of how we were trying to play even though we lost. Against one of the best in Europe we didn't look particularly open in defence playing this way, was just stupid mistakes that we paid for. Was so much better.

Im hoping that the Goons match was a watershed moment, our hitting 'rock bottom'. Maybe that's what it took for Frank to decide he has to change things from what has been his go to style a little bit. I'm wary of how Spurs it is to follow up a good performance against a top team with a crap performance against an inferior team so not going to get carried away. But feeling encouraged after that, well done Frank and the players....
 
I dont know how you cut out the constant silly mistakes at the back. But cut that down on a regular basis and go forward. We win more.
I have more faith in Frank with regards staying longer and sorting it out. Starts with getting someone in decent in Jan.
We need a boss who stays longer than 2yrs unless relegation fears
 
Mrs Vert said:
I dont know how you cut out the constant silly mistakes at the back. But cut that down on a regular basis and go forward. We win more.
I have more faith in Frank with regards staying longer and sorting it out. Starts with getting someone in decent in Jan.
We need a boss who stays longer than 2yrs unless relegation fears
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If he also shows he can develop attacking/creative play beyond crosses then I am in agreement.
 
parj said:
Do you think it's inspiring to not even play football? To barely have a shot on target. To show no heart at all against Arsenal and Chelsea?

If we did that at work, we would be taken aside and probably put on performance review. Customers would complain, give us 1 out of 5 ratings, so it's actually part of life and the workplace - only difference is I would be giving 100% every week doing the greatest job ever and being paid incredibly well
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I've been as disappointed as anyone with how we've played this season, especially with those abject performances against red and blue scum. I just don't think 60k people screaming in your face that you suck is the way to help someone out of a quagmire. I don't think any of our players are slagging off because they dont care about winning football games. 11 men team plus backroom staff working to perform together in a ridiculously, ridiculously high level sport, in a high pressure environment over a window of 90 minutes. There's a lot of things that could go wrong for that not to work, and we as outside supporters wouldn't necessarily know why.
 
parj said:
Do you think it's inspiring to not even play football? To barely have a shot on target. To show no heart at all against Arsenal and Chelsea?

If we did that at work, we would be taken aside and probably put on performance review. Customers would complain, give us 1 out of 5 ratings, so it's actually part of life and the workplace - only difference is I would be giving 100% every week doing the greatest job ever and being paid incredibly well
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What a strange analogy for professional sports where they three outcomes are win, lose, draw. Its also easy to sit in our world and say what we say about how we would perform in football every week, it would be 100% different when you get there.

So your personal contract with the side is "I will boo unless you entertain me", effectively, they have to earn your support

GHod I yearn for the times we had more of a siege mentality as a fan base.

And its not just about the booing of boring football, we have had players have to scale the stands because their family were getting abused.

Add that to the sheer number of YTubers spread bile and the sudden trend of self serving twitter personalities who create their persona on being negative about everything, its no wonder the clubs fanbase is split.

Nowt hate on Spurs more than Spurs fans in my experience
 
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