Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[Grays_1890]

We lost a club legend plus are without our Ginger From Sweden who crippled himself carrying our team for large parts of last season plus mercurial Maddison and the only CF who can actually hold the ball up in Solanke.

Son 11 goals + 9 assists
Solanke 16 goals + 3 assists
Maddison 12 goals + 7 assists
Kulusevski 10 goals + 4 assists

That’s 73 goal contributions which Frank has got to try and eke out of our new recruits whilst we can’t even press from the front nearly so well either what with Richarlison being too undisciplined; as you have said about our headless Pigeon.

Hopefully when Muani gets match sharp that’ll improve somewhat but Simons is never going to be able to match physicality of Deki and whilst he was infuriatingly inconsistent when Bissouma was on form he’s the only CMF we have who can actually break the lines

Replaced with

Career totals which make up 20% of that loss, let alone for a season

 

[billyiddo]

They set up to nullify their opponents, then punish them for any mistakes they made and being good on the counter. Mourinho only did it in matches were his side were the underdog.
We're just set up not to lose, and as you say we're not good at it, and have none of the positive side on counters etc.

Brentford were not set up as a team under Frank to 'just not lose' except for maybe at certain points in their first season in the PL - so I don't believe that is the sum total of our ambitions under him, I think it's a bad faith argument to keep pushing that angle tbh

 

[Grays_1890]

Brentford were not set up as a team under Frank to 'just not lose' except for maybe at certain points in their first season in the PL - so I don't believe that is the sum total of our ambitions under him, I think it's a bad faith argument to keep pushing that angle tbh

Equally to make out that in modern PL terms of the last couple of years, Frank does not know what its like to manage at the level or we are some intergalactic side miles ahead of where they have been in recent years versus us?

This is worth a watch from people peddling crap about Brentford under Frank.......It also goes to highlight the need for talent who can play the roles

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[DubSpur]

Brentford were not set up as a team under Frank to 'just not lose' except for maybe at certain points in their first season in the PL - so I don't believe that is the sum total of our ambitions under him, I think it's a bad faith argument to keep pushing that angle tbh

At the moment it is the sum of what we're doing on the pitch. We've had two of the lowest xG on record in the last month. That shows a real lack of attacking ambition at this point.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We lost a club legend plus are without our Ginger From Sweden who crippled himself carrying our team for large parts of last season plus mercurial Maddison and the only CF who can actually hold the ball up in Solanke.

Son 11 goals + 9 assists
Solanke 16 goals + 3 assists
Maddison 12 goals + 7 assists
Kulusevski 10 goals + 4 assists

That’s 73 goal contributions which Frank has got to try and eke out of our new recruits whilst we can’t even press from the front nearly so well either what with Richarlison being too undisciplined; as you have said about our headless Pigeon.

Hopefully when Muani gets match sharp that’ll improve somewhat but Simons is never going to be able to match physicality of Deki and whilst he was infuriatingly inconsistent when Bissouma was on form he’s the only CMF we have who can actually break the lines

73 goal contributions
Including passes to each other
Not saying that isn’t right but they aren’t all unique
And we don’t press
Because it’s tactically not what he has us doing
We don’t pass forward
You need to look at the data deeper
If we were passing forward and the ball was lost then balls the lack of quality
We don’t do that
The pass maps are there and easy to see
The most common pass forward is Porro to kudus
That’s it

 

[parklane1]

Like others i am not happy with the result or the performance yesterday. However what really tinkled/bothered me of is the way Frank set us up in the first half. I do not think i have ever seen us set up in such a defensive mindset as we were in the first half. We allowed the Arse the freedom of the pitch while we sat back and showed no attempt to go forward and create anything.

As much as i HATE to say it the Arse are a far better team then us at this time but we surrended the game with the way we lined up. We should be better then that and its the first time i have had REAL complaints about the job Frank is doing. Now i am not saying i want to see [ yet again] another manager appoinment but we gave the Arse the game from the kick off with out set up and allthough he did change it at half time the damage had allready been done.

 

[DubSpur]

Equally to make out that in modern PL terms of the last couple of years, Frank does not know what its like to manage at the level or we are some intergalactic side miles ahead of where they have been in recent years versus us?

This is worth a watch from people peddling crap about Brentford under Frank.......It also goes to highlight the need for talent who can play the roles

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One of his supposed strengths is his flexibility and ability to get the most out of his players. If we're now saying that he needs players to play certain roles it's going against him being flexible.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Brentford were not set up as a team under Frank to 'just not lose' except for maybe at certain points in their first season in the PL - so I don't believe that is the sum total of our ambitions under him, I think it's a bad faith argument to keep pushing that angle tbh

He did talk about their set up against better side in his pressers I believe
Be interesting what he says today
But he 100% set up yesterday to nullify arsenal
Against United it’s hard to tell but we didn’t have any attacking effort until around 86 mins
Chelsea we had NO attacking effort and way of playing
Monaco
Bodo
Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Everton the plan was to do something on set pieces I assume because there was no other attacking play until we got that late counter attack
Villa we did play some decent football but that’s where I’d say the lack of quality cost us and worked for them
Leeds… dogged performance where we took the chances with a very low xG
I could go back further but it’s boring

 

[Grays_1890]

One of his supposed strengths is his flexibility and ability to get the most out of his players. If we're now saying that he needs players to play certain roles it's going against him being flexible.

There are limits to anyone's abilities as a coach

But the video puts pay to alot of rubbish myths being spouted on here about not wanting to play forward. Unless he has come from Brentford and decided not to, which I imagine isn't the case.

Lets be honest, plenty of folk on here never wanted him and many still don't and are exercising that now.........

Blokes 19 games into his management career at this club, and frankly alot of what I am reading on here and elsewhere is diabolical.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

There are limits to anyone's abilities as a coach

But the video puts pay to alot of rubbish myths being spouted on here about not wanting to play forward. Unless he has come from Brentford and decided not to, which I imagine isn't the case.

Lets be honest, plenty of folk on here never wanted him and many still don't and are exercising that now.........

Blokes 19 games into his management career at this club, and frankly alot of what I am reading on here and elsewhere is diabolical.

What video?
I’d like to see that
I did my research on him when I was on gardening leave and said then it’s why I wanted him
He showed flexibility when he got them promoted
I’ve seen today a lot about his comments about the risk of not taking risks… that’s biting him on the arse quite notably
I’ve also seen him video where he talks about not shooting form distance but the issue with that logic is we need to get into the area to do what he wants and that’s where we fail now

 

[glorygloryeze]

You think so?
Wow
I don’t
I think he is doing everything he can to create a defensive side and not worrying about any attacking play
Of you catch attacking play you can in third swap players in and out
How can he plan for players he has never coached
It’s not gonna suddenly improve as we saw the last 2 years

You've said yourself how you want him to stick with a settled team because he HAS tried to be flexible in his starting line-ups. With injuries to the likes of Muani, Udogie and the varying form of players like Odobert, Tell etc he has had to be.
One thing taht cannot be said is that he is inflexible, you might not like the end results but that's a different discussion.

We played 3 CBs yesterday for the first time since the Super cup, if that's not trying to be flexible i don't know what is. Again, we might not like it and think it was too defensive etc, but one it isn't is inflexible.

 

[DubSpur]

There are limits to anyone's abilities as a coach

But the video puts pay to alot of rubbish myths being spouted on here about not wanting to play forward. Unless he has come from Brentford and decided not to, which I imagine isn't the case.

Lets be honest, plenty of folk on here never wanted him and many still don't and are exercising that now.........

Blokes 19 games into his management career at this club, and frankly alot of what I am reading on here and elsewhere is diabolical.

What he did at Brentford and what he's doing now with us are two different things. Since he's been here it's been negative football for the vast majority of the time.

He wasn't my first choice but was happy enough with the appointment. It was his flexibility that was what I liked about him but I'm not seeing it now.

As for reading stuff that is diabolical, I haven't seen anything on here beyond fair criticism of the style of play so far. It's definitely not as diabolical as the football that's being served up.

 

[glorygloryeze]

At the moment it is the sum of what we're doing on the pitch. We've had two of the lowest xG on record in the last month. That shows a real lack of attacking ambition at this point.

Or a lack of faith in the current attacking players available in the biggest games?

In fact we can ask, who has more faith in the likes of Tel, Odobert, Xavi, Richarlison and Johnson in the biggest games: the majority of Spurs fans? Or Thomas Frank?

 

[DubSpur]

Or a lack of faith in the current attacking players available in the biggest games?

In fact we can ask, who has more faith in the likes of Tel, Odobert, Xavi, Richarlison and Johnson in the biggest games: the majority of Spurs fans? Or Thomas Frank?

So we just give up on trying to score? And it's not just in the biggest games that there is a lack of attacking intent.

 

[Lemonade Money]

How many pages of brick?!

 

[glorygloryeze]

So we just give up on trying to score? And it's not just in the biggest games that there is a lack of attacking intent.

What line-up would you have started yesterday given injuries etc? And what formation?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You've said yourself how you want him to stick with a settled team because he HAS tried to be flexible in his starting line-ups. With injuries to the likes of Muani, Udogie and the varying form of players like Odobert, Tell etc he has had to be.
One thing taht cannot be said is that he is inflexible, you might not like the end results but that's a different discussion.

We played 3 CBs yesterday for the first time since the Super cup, if that's not trying to be flexible i don't know what is. Again, we might not like it and think it was too defensive etc, but one it isn't is inflexible.

Yesterday was flexible and a HUGE failed gamble. it was a clear a sign that he has indirectly said to his team your not good enough (it was a back 5 not 3)

Now doing that say against someone like wolves where we’re chasing is the flexibility I want to see

How about 2 strikers
How about playing 4-4-2
There are many variations
But what we get is 2 DMs vs everyone and they don’t do that well

The best the midfield has looked was against Burnley and hasn’t played that since … weird right

 

[Grays_1890]

As for reading stuff that is diabolical, I haven't seen anything on here beyond fair criticism of the style of play so far. It's definitely not as diabolical as the football that's being served up.

There has been plenty and plenty on other threads.

Anyway, not worth falling out over, we will be here in 18 months having the convo about another victim to the management graveyard thats Spurs

 

[Bedfordspurs]

So we just give up on trying to score? And it's not just in the biggest games that there is a lack of attacking intent.

It’s in every game
It’s why we record such low XG
Yet he says he doesn’t like shooting from range which is how we have been scoring
Weird
Almost as if the players don’t listen to him or are not being coached in his way

 

[Bedfordspurs]

There has been plenty and plenty on other threads.

Anyway, not worth falling out over, we will be here in 18 months having the convo about another victim to the management graveyard thats Spurs

They all get sacked
It’s the one constant with managers
They get sacked and they get paid