Modric - No Longer A Spurs Player

[Jurgen the German]

this market talk is getting annoying now

there are 2 markets nowadays, one involving City, PSG and Chelsea, then a market involving everyone else.

I rate Modric, at 30-35 mill pounds in the everyone else market, and i want rid now because all i see is a repeat of the Berbatov sale in 2008

Agree with this. It might be a moral victory if we manage to get £40m for Modric, but if the sale happens on the last day of the window and we have no time to get a replacement, then what good is it?

Last year's Modric saga is completely different. Levy made it clear that Modric wasn't for sale AT ANY PRICE. He didn't wan't to sell to Chelsea and strengthen them, thus weakening Spurs. This time around, we've made it clear that Modric is available, providing the right price is met. If Levy sells for £35m, then it is a good deal and it doesn't make him weak. You've got to weigh up the pros and cons of getting rid of him as quickly as possible.

People need to stop using the Andy Carroll figure as a benchmark for every other player. Yes it was crazy money, but Liverpool had just received £50 for Torres so that obviously inflated the figure that Liverpool paid to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Barca paid £40m for Ibrahimovic, plus Inter also got Etoo. Should have been the other way around! It happens in football sometimes. Players go for silly money. If you use the Carroll example as a template for everything, then Messi would be worth about £500m.

 

[braineclipse]

this market talk is getting annoying now

there are 2 markets nowadays, one involving City, PSG and Chelsea, then a market involving everyone else.

I rate Modric, at 30-35 mill pounds in the everyone else market, and i want rid now because all i see is a repeat of the Berbatov sale in 2008

Real Madrid head the Deloitte survey as the club with the highest turnover in the world. They have signed the two most expensive players in history and four out of the five most expensive players in history. Top 4 if you look at pure money transfers, not including player swaps.

In the last two seasons they have signed Fabio Coentrao for around €30m and Angel Di Maria for around €25m. Both coming from the Portuguese league.

I disagree completely that Real Madrid are somehow in the 'everyone else' category.

If you rate Modric at £30-35m how is £30m excellent money? (my original question to you) That is at the lower end of your valuation...

If you just want rid because you don't want a drawn out saga or because you just want him gone that's a different question.

 

[jts1882]

How much is Modric worth in Hendersons?

The other thing we don't know is how other deals are progressing. If, for instance, everything was set up on a deal for Moutinho and the only hold up was us needing the money from selling Modric, then haggling to the last minute on Modric could come at the risk of that deal unravelling. Holding out for a few extra million could be costly. On the other hand, if none of the other deals are close, holding out on Modric makes more sense.

 

[braineclipse]

Agree with this. It might be a moral victory if we manage to get £40m for Modric, but if the sale happens on the last day of the window and we have no time to get a replacement, then what good is it?

Last year's Modric saga is completely different. Levy made it clear that Modric wasn't for sale AT ANY PRICE. He didn't wan't to sell to Chelsea and strengthen them, thus weakening Spurs. This time around, we've made it clear that Modric is available, providing the right price is met. If Levy sells for £35m, then it is a good deal and it doesn't make him weak. You've got to weigh up the pros and cons of getting rid of him as quickly as possible.

People need to stop using the Andy Carroll figure as a benchmark for every other player. Yes it was crazy money, but Liverpool had just received £50 for Torres so that obviously inflated the figure that Liverpool paid to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Barca paid £40m for Ibrahimovic, plus Inter also got Etoo. Should have been the other way around! It happens in football sometimes. Players go for silly money. If you use the Carroll example as a template for everything, then Messi would be worth about £500m.

I agree that using Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson as the benchmark every time is wrong.

How about looking at the most expensive signings Real Madrid have made in the past as the benchmark?

 

[Jurgen the German]

I agree that using Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson as the benchmark every time is wrong.

How about looking at the most expensive signings Real Madrid have made in the past as the benchmark?

Yeah that would be better. They paid between £30m-£35m for Benzema. £24m for Robben. Roughly £20m for Di Maria.

 

[braineclipse]

Yeah that would be better. They paid between £30m-£35m for Benzema. £24m for Robben. Roughly £20m for Di Maria.

And half the GDP of a small country for Kaka and Zidane when neither player was young anymore. Coentrao for a ton of money too, especially for (primarily) a left back when they already had Marcelo.

 

[Jurgen the German]

They also got Alonso for £30m when he was 27 at the time and Ozil for around £12m, an absolute steal!

 

[Rorschach]

Unless the Moutinho (or Sahin) deal is pretty much done and dusted in the background, surely the deadline for selling Modric is this week. No point in having money and nothing to spend it on.

 

[Jurgen the German]

And half the GDP of a small country for Kaka and Zidane when neither player was young anymore. Coentrao for a ton of money too, especially for (primarily) a left back when they already had Marcelo.

Zidane was still the best player in the world when they signed him.

 

[braineclipse]

They also got Alonso for £30m when he was 27 at the time and Ozil for around £12m, an absolute steal!

Özil only had a year left on his contract iirc and was refusing to sign a new one. Alonso had longer left on his contract I believe, but there were stories about clashes between him and Benitez.

Zidane was still the best player in the world when they signed him.

I agree, but it was still a shed load of money for a player his age (or any age) and was a fee that could only be paid by very few teams in the world. Like I was saying before, these kinds of deals put Real Madrid right up there with the top spenders in the world.

 

[braineclipse]

Unless the Moutinho (or Sahin) deal is pretty much done and dusted in the background, surely the deadline for selling Modric is this week. No point in having money and nothing to spend it on.

I agree and I hope Levy learned his lesson after the Berbatov deal. It was a good deal, but there must be a plan in place that doesn't involve Frazier Campbell. I wouldn't be against a deadline day sale, but then someone must be either lined up that we can complete the same day or someone must already be signed.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Your right about Modric's contract situation being favourable to us. But I still think that £35m for Modric is a good deal overall and it would get an unhappy player off our books. Levy proved last year that he was and is a tough negotiator and has various other deals have also proved this, his reputation won't be damaged IMO if he agrees to sell for £35m rather than £40m. It's a two way street. You want other clubs to know that that can't pull a fast one on us, but when it comes to buying players, the chairman on the other side wants to know that the other party is also reasonable.

 

[Grays_1890]

What you are getting with Modric, in my opinion is a proven player at levels in which someone like Hazard is not. Modric has been one of the top players in the Premier League, that alone adds to his value because it reduces the risk factor when signing a player.

 

[braineclipse]

Your right about Modric's contract situation being favourable to us. But I still think that £35m for Modric is a good deal overall and it would get an unhappy player off our books. Levy proved last year that he was and is a tough negotiator and has various other deals have also proved this, his reputation won't be damaged IMO if he agrees to sell for £35m rather than £40m. It's a two way street. You want other clubs to know that that can't pull a fast one on us, but when it comes to buying players, the chairman on the other side wants to know that the other party is also reasonable.

I can pretty much agree with that.

Personally I wouldn't sell Modric for less than £40m, I even think that is low, but that's more to do with how highly I rate him and how difficult I think it is to spend money well on direct first team players.

 

[indianspur]

I can pretty much agree with that.

Personally I wouldn't sell Modric for less than £40m, I even think that is low, but that's more to do with how highly I rate him and how difficult I think it is to spend money well on direct first team players.

and how long would you wait for the 40 mill? until the last day of the window?

 

[Spursalot]

and how long would you wait for the 40 mill? until the last day of the window?

I'd wait until a week before the first match of the season.

Declare the deadline a week before that and on the deadline release a statement telling RM to fudge off.

 

[Rossi22]

I would say to Madrid, you have until Sunday evening to come up with £40m, if not then we won't entertain any further offers. Yours truly.

 

[braineclipse]

and how long would you wait for the 40 mill? until the last day of the window?

Depends.

1. We have a player lined up (could be Sahin) that we bring in the moment Modric is done. With the understanding of that club that we will only buy him if we sell Modric. We can wait until the final day, no problem.

2. We sign someone who can replace Modric, but could also be in the squad alongside Modric. Dembele just as an example, could be just about anyone (good enough). As long as he is signed we can wait until the final day.

If we're in a situation where we don't have a replacement lined up and would have to go into the market, desperate for a player after selling Modric then no later than a week before the window closes imo. I would like to see us set a deadline even earlier than that with Madrid, doesn't have to be public. Something like two weeks before the window closes, £40m, not across 73 years with clauses up the kazoo. If not done by then he's staying. Anything later than that and the price would go up substantially because it would be more expensive for us to sign a replacement.

 

[indianspur]

by now i would have given a deadline but it doesnt seem that Spurs have, so as for a date in the future i agree with Rossi, this coming Sunday is the last day for them to come up with the required amount and if they dont, thats it, deal is off and Modric has to accept it and get on with joining the rest of the squad and step up his fitness

This uncertainty is getting out of hand now. As if the striking situation isnt bad enough, we are heading into the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game without our two best midfielders from last season in Parker and Modric, and with the prospect of Jenas being in the starting 11. Its an absolute joke

 

[Rorschach]

by now i would have given a deadline but it doesnt seem that Spurs have, so as for a date in the future i agree with Rossi, this coming Sunday is the last day for them to come up with the required amount and if they dont, thats it, deal is off and Modric has to accept it and get on with joining the rest of the squad and step up his fitness

This uncertainty is getting out of hand now. As if the striking situation isnt bad enough, we are heading into the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game without our two best midfielders from last season in Parker and Modric, and with the prospect of Jenas being in the starting 11. Its an absolute joke

Well there could be a deadline in place and communicated to RM but we just don't know about it (where's Harry when you need him ...eh?) and considering how long this has been rumbling on I'm sure the groundwork has already been done on a replacement. To assume that we have nothing lined up would imply no forward thinking at all.

As braineclipse says another way is to mitigate against the worst scenario by bringing in Dembele now. Irrespective of what happens to Modric, Dembele is versatile enough to be of use even if the Croat stays.