DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Where you seeing that?
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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying
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Where you seeing that?
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Whoa....where's your source for that??
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
A plan B is not that important really. When you clock up 90+ pts and reach 3 finals I'd suggest things are working ok.
greatwhitenorf
Vedran Corluka
As I've stated earlier, the long-established reputation of Liverpool fans preceded them and they did little to diminish it at Stade de France. Just to compare how Real Madrid operated, they pre-assembled their legitimate ticket-holding fans onto a fleet of chartered buses and dropped them at a pre-arranged point so that only legitimate seat holders arrived at the ticket gates.
Liverpool? Left arrival at the stadium to their own fans to sort out. Potential for problems? Absolutely. But if a score of cheeky Merseysiders managed to sneak in, well, as they've done in the past, they'd all regale in the tales and laugh up their sleeves at their cunning and resourcefulness.
So, if they were given prejudicial treatment from the French police, it's hard to cast blame. This isn't a recent thing. It's many decades in the making.
From a Los Angeles Times article in 1985:
On May 29 in Brussels, while a horrified TV audience watched, 39 people, including 31 Italians, died in a riot during the European Champions Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus of Turin, Italy.
Liverpool fans were blamed for starting the riot, smashing a flimsy metal barrier separating them from the Italians and pushing them, as they retreated in panic, into a concrete wall that collapsed on them. Some of the screaming Italians were trampled to death. The British fans then ripped down metal fences to make weapons, and hurled rocks, cans and bottles at police.
British politicians were angered and horrified at the barbaric behavior. Queen Elizabeth said she was shocked. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said her blood boiled. The riot, she said, brought shame and disgrace to England. British standing in Europe had suffered a devastating blow. “Sickening,” headlined the Liverpool Daily Post.
All English teams except the national World Cup club were banned from European competitions as a result of the riot and Englishmen, who had endured the mounting violence of hooliganism for more than a decade, took a hard look at their favorite game. Stringent measures, such as the ones in force at Watford, were adopted to control it.
The sale of alcohol inside stadiums was banned, as were any objects that could be used as weapons. Fans of rival teams were separated by strict control of ticket sales. Fans who entered stadiums with alcohol in their possession were subject to being sent to jail or being fined as much as $1,200. Fans drinking on trains and buses en route to games also were subject to severe penalties.
...Try as they might, the British obviously do not have hooliganism under control.
On Aug. 17, a memorial service in Liverpool for the victims of the Brussels riots was disrupted by hooligans shouting obscenities while the mourners sang “Abide With Me.”
From a South African news report in 2007:
Liverpool supporters criticised in Uefa study (iol.co.za)
By Mark Ledsom
Berne, Switzerland - English Premier League side Liverpool's supporters have been branded the most troublesome in Europe, according to a report compiled from international police statistics.
European soccer's governing body Uefa said on Monday it would be handing the study to UK sports minister Richard Caborn during a meeting in Brussels on Tuesday.
"There have been over 25 incidents involving Liverpool supporters since 2003, some of them small, some more worrisome," Uefa spokesperson William Gaillard told Reuters.
And from today's Guardian:
Liverpool fans caused initial problems in Paris, says French sports minister
Liverpool fans without valid tickets were responsible for the initial problems at the Champions League final, France’s sports minister has said, as government officials were due to meet for an urgent postmortem of Saturday night’s crowd chaos.
“What we really have to bear in mind is that what happened, first of all, was this mass gathering of the British supporters of the Liverpool club, without tickets, or with counterfeit tickets,” Amélie Oudéa-Castéra told French radio.
The minister said “between 30,000 and 40,000” Liverpool fans without valid tickets turned up at the Stade de France in Saint-Denis outside Paris, which seats 80,000 spectators.
I could go on all day copying and pasting articles about Liverpool fans and their bad behaviour on this issue. I could also get some of my Liverpool-mad relations in Ulster to contribute a note or two about their European romps (smash and grab in Zurich yielding some prize loot).
But enough of that. I want to enjoy the day.
Liverpool? Left arrival at the stadium to their own fans to sort out. Potential for problems? Absolutely. But if a score of cheeky Merseysiders managed to sneak in, well, as they've done in the past, they'd all regale in the tales and laugh up their sleeves at their cunning and resourcefulness.
So, if they were given prejudicial treatment from the French police, it's hard to cast blame. This isn't a recent thing. It's many decades in the making.
From a Los Angeles Times article in 1985:
On May 29 in Brussels, while a horrified TV audience watched, 39 people, including 31 Italians, died in a riot during the European Champions Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus of Turin, Italy.
Liverpool fans were blamed for starting the riot, smashing a flimsy metal barrier separating them from the Italians and pushing them, as they retreated in panic, into a concrete wall that collapsed on them. Some of the screaming Italians were trampled to death. The British fans then ripped down metal fences to make weapons, and hurled rocks, cans and bottles at police.
British politicians were angered and horrified at the barbaric behavior. Queen Elizabeth said she was shocked. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said her blood boiled. The riot, she said, brought shame and disgrace to England. British standing in Europe had suffered a devastating blow. “Sickening,” headlined the Liverpool Daily Post.
All English teams except the national World Cup club were banned from European competitions as a result of the riot and Englishmen, who had endured the mounting violence of hooliganism for more than a decade, took a hard look at their favorite game. Stringent measures, such as the ones in force at Watford, were adopted to control it.
The sale of alcohol inside stadiums was banned, as were any objects that could be used as weapons. Fans of rival teams were separated by strict control of ticket sales. Fans who entered stadiums with alcohol in their possession were subject to being sent to jail or being fined as much as $1,200. Fans drinking on trains and buses en route to games also were subject to severe penalties.
...Try as they might, the British obviously do not have hooliganism under control.
On Aug. 17, a memorial service in Liverpool for the victims of the Brussels riots was disrupted by hooligans shouting obscenities while the mourners sang “Abide With Me.”
From a South African news report in 2007:
Liverpool supporters criticised in Uefa study (iol.co.za)
By Mark Ledsom
Berne, Switzerland - English Premier League side Liverpool's supporters have been branded the most troublesome in Europe, according to a report compiled from international police statistics.
European soccer's governing body Uefa said on Monday it would be handing the study to UK sports minister Richard Caborn during a meeting in Brussels on Tuesday.
"There have been over 25 incidents involving Liverpool supporters since 2003, some of them small, some more worrisome," Uefa spokesperson William Gaillard told Reuters.
And from today's Guardian:
Liverpool fans caused initial problems in Paris, says French sports minister
Liverpool fans without valid tickets were responsible for the initial problems at the Champions League final, France’s sports minister has said, as government officials were due to meet for an urgent postmortem of Saturday night’s crowd chaos.
“What we really have to bear in mind is that what happened, first of all, was this mass gathering of the British supporters of the Liverpool club, without tickets, or with counterfeit tickets,” Amélie Oudéa-Castéra told French radio.
The minister said “between 30,000 and 40,000” Liverpool fans without valid tickets turned up at the Stade de France in Saint-Denis outside Paris, which seats 80,000 spectators.
I could go on all day copying and pasting articles about Liverpool fans and their bad behaviour on this issue. I could also get some of my Liverpool-mad relations in Ulster to contribute a note or two about their European romps (smash and grab in Zurich yielding some prize loot).
But enough of that. I want to enjoy the day.
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Let's be fair, I'm anti-Liverpool as much as anyone on here. Hate the f**kers and I want to believe they're solely at fault. But the fact is, none of us know what's gone on to cause this really. There is a enough footage and claims out there to support whatever view you want to take but I can't say with any confidence or conviction what's happened. I'd be surprised if there isn't fault on both sides, in fact the mere idea is laughable, but to what degree...who knows.
An independent inquiry/report would be great. Until then, I'll use it to have a pop at my Dipper supporting mates (juvenile and petty I know) but I've no idea what's really happened.
An independent inquiry/report would be great. Until then, I'll use it to have a pop at my Dipper supporting mates (juvenile and petty I know) but I've no idea what's really happened.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
On the ticketless fans issue.
I don't really get their mindset. When you really love the club and the upcoming game is massive the main consideration is seeing/watching the game.
I went to Amsterdam, you hope to pick up a spare as you're out in town enjoying the build up (slim chance, granted) BUT you know the failsafe option (matchday nerves need concrete plans
) is to find a bar/pub with good screens that guarantee you get to see the game. If I trundle off to the stadium hoping to 'bunk' in I'm more than likely going to be unsuccessful, and as a result likely to miss all or some of the game. Not only am I being a nuisance to ticketed fans BUT I just can't jeopardise the whole point of supporting a team and that is watching them, especially in the biggest of games.
I don't really get their mindset. When you really love the club and the upcoming game is massive the main consideration is seeing/watching the game.
I went to Amsterdam, you hope to pick up a spare as you're out in town enjoying the build up (slim chance, granted) BUT you know the failsafe option (matchday nerves need concrete plans
) is to find a bar/pub with good screens that guarantee you get to see the game. If I trundle off to the stadium hoping to 'bunk' in I'm more than likely going to be unsuccessful, and as a result likely to miss all or some of the game. Not only am I being a nuisance to ticketed fans BUT I just can't jeopardise the whole point of supporting a team and that is watching them, especially in the biggest of games.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
You mean....no way... there are badgers there?
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
LIverpool in the mud
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
I suppose it could be argued the easiest market to sell fake/duplicated tickets into is Liverpool fans.
A long queue of fanatical, desperate and fomo customers.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Still waiting for your source re Van Dyke wanting to leave @Grays_1890 ....
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
It also sounds like a load of people got in first with duplicates and of course that leads to two problems 1. disgruntled people with genuine tickets unable to get in 2. The authorities then can't let them in for fear of overcrowding. Problems you can hardly sort out in 60mins.
I'm sure technology can solve this ffs
milo
Jack L. Jones
It sounds to me like flimflam from the French government trying to cover up an almighty fudge up by them on Saturday.
I am sure that there were some counterfeit tickets knocking around but they haven't produced any evidence to support their claim about the numbers. It also isn't clear how the measures they put on Liverpool fans hours before kick off had any to do with this or how they helped the situation.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I would recommend that anyone with an Athletic account reads this. It is pretty clear that the police, UEFA and Fench gov account of what happened is nonsense.
https://theathletic.com/3330768/2022/05/30/liverpool-champions-league-gas
https://theathletic.com/3330768/2022/05/30/liverpool-champions-league-gas
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
fudging hell.
The question we should be asking isn’t a snarky ‘why is it always Liverpool supporters?’ But it absolutely should be ‘why are English fans still subjected to disproportionate treatment based on a decades old reputation?’
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Oh Sorry it was on a news link I saw earlier, I will try and dig it out, said he was meeting his representatives to discuss his future this week
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
40,000 urged to travel without tickets by the club, club decides to go down the QR code on paper route rather than on phones, LFC forums and communities working the scams for fake, club reps left fans in their original meeting place before the game in order to get themselves sorted at the ground rather than escorting....Liverpool in the mud