Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
In the UK?
I was in Copenhagen last night with our team form Poland and they are kind of broken
They don’t know what’s next and they are seeking at lot of helpless people in their cities
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Putin & Russia
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I was in Copenhagen last night with our team form Poland and they are kind of broken
They don’t know what’s next and they are seeking at lot of helpless people in their cities
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Dublin.
Broken is good word to describe these refugees also. Their lives and future changed so profoundly in such a short space of time.
A week ago I was listening to Ukrainian men being interviewed in this same place going the opposite direction. Courage doesn't begin to describe it.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
100%
humiliation practically any agreement will be. There has to be so,e achievement that will justify Russia’s huge casualties - casualties that have not yet been admitted but the rumors about which are spreading and eventually will not be possible to hide.
It seems to me that clearly attempts have already been made in this direction. The first of these are the, scientifically utterly absurd, claims that Americans have been using Ukrainian labs to develop deadly viruses that would be pathogenic only to Slavic peoples. As a result of
Russia’s “special operation” all the samples have now been destroyed. Thus Putin can claim to have saved Russia from something truly dreadful that would make covid look like a mild cold. Clearly this is not going to work on many but the very absurdity of the idea suggest that
purpose is justification of Putin’s decision to invade.
Another indication is the emphasis on the claim that Russia is really fighting the combined forces of the entire West lead by America rather than just Ukraine. Failure to fully prevail in a war against the world’s more powerful block is much less damning than having been defeated by a despised country with 1/3 of Russia’s population..
Russia will also attempt to expand the territories of puppet Donetsk and Luhansk “People’s Republics” and try to for, at least one more around the captured city of Kherson. It will demand that Ukraine recognizes these puppets as well as Russia’s rule over Crimea.
These demands, together with a promise not to try to join NATO, are the maximum that Zelensky can even consider. If he goes beyond that, the agreement will be rejected by the great majority of Ukrainians and Zelensky’s authority, so hard earned, will evaporated almost overnight. The fight will continue.
Rather than recognizing Russia’s conquests, Zelensky is more likely to offer that Ukraine will not attempt to regain them by force. But even thiswould require a referendum, as Ukraine’s president has no power to amend the constitution by himself.
Therefore if there is an agreement, I would expect it to be similar to the one signed by Lebed and Maskhadov in Khasavyurt.
The reason why it was possible was because the wording was so vague that each side could interpret it in its own way. Thus according to the. He hen version Russia recognized the independent Republic of Ichkeria and Maskhadov as its President. According to the Russian version, Chechnya remained a part of the Russian Federstion and Maskhadov became only the President of an autonomous Republic of RF. This set the stage for the new war 3 years later.
Daisuk
Les Medley
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Damn, who would you support, reckon it would be 50/50, or Putin may be slightly more popular?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Extremely brave move, which will undoubtedly see her spending time behind bars.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I read she has been criminally charged, or is about to be.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
10 years in the gulags is preferable to novichok I guess. Pussy Riot had to do 2-3 years there just for singing a protest song
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
She was pretty as well. Be interesting to see what she looks like when she comes out.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Not quite the gulags being suggested here, but we'll see.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Something doesn't smell right?
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
It's the tea
Mikey10
John Lacy
It was when you posted. It’s now £3.74