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Oliver Skipp

DeanoAustin said:
The lad is one of my favourites but there's a lot of hype being built with these stats. Correlation doesn't always mean causation.

I haven't looked too deeply at it but what's the standard of opposition been like when he's started compared to not?
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I'm also a huge fan of Skipp, and I can't wait to get him back playing. But anyone who thinks he is the savior and the sole solution to our current plight is sadly mistaken.
Those stats are missing vital information. Yes, we won some matches. But we did so by the skin of our teeth in quite a few boring 1-0 victories where the complaints on this board were quite unison in direction of "boring, lucky, not worthy of spurs!". (three on a trot in our first three matches), before the roof came crashing down with the abysmal 3-0 defeat vs Crystal Palace, the dire 0-3 defeat at home to Chelsea, and the unfathomable 3-1 loss away to Arsenal. All with Skippy in the lineup. (albeit a second half substitute in the last game). He also played in our 1-0 loss to West Ham.

So to make him stand out as a "fix-it-all" just because he happened to be out injured during the teams current problems seems a bit short-sighted, and quite unfair to the young lad, as one then would put quite a bit of responsibility on his shoulders to be the solution to this.
 
Junior19 said:
I'm also a huge fan of Skipp, and I can't wait to get him back playing. But anyone who thinks he is the savior and the sole solution to our current plight is sadly mistaken.
Those stats are missing vital information. Yes, we won some matches. But we did so by the skin of our teeth in quite a few boring 1-0 victories where the complaints on this board were quite unison in direction of "boring, lucky, not worthy of spurs!". (three on a trot in our first three matches), before the roof came crashing down with the abysmal 3-0 defeat vs Crystal Palace, the dire 0-3 defeat at home to Chelsea, and the unfathomable 3-1 loss away to Arsenal. All with Skippy in the lineup. (albeit a second half substitute in the last game). He also played in our 1-0 loss to West Ham.

So to make him stand out as a "fix-it-all" just because he happened to be out injured during the teams current problems seems a bit short-sighted, and quite unfair to the young lad, as one then would put quite a bit of responsibility on his shoulders to be the solution to this.
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Thanks. Yeah I agree with all of this. I've said it countless times but the "Conte is the longest unbeaten Spurs manager" was a crock of brick. Sure the stat was correct but it lacked all context and just served to disappoint us when they inevitable crash came. We played a bunch of relegation fodder, primarily at home and got a bit of a bounce after Nuno. Talk of catching Chelsea or remaining unbeaten for much longer was nonsense.

Likewise with Skipp. Good player, great lad but he won't be the difference maker that the raw stats suggest.

This is the danger of statistics.
 
DeanoAustin said:
The lad is one of my favourites but there's a lot of hype being built with these stats. Correlation doesn't always mean causation.

I haven't looked too deeply at it but what's the standard of opposition been like when he's started compared to not?
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Spot on, stats are nothing more then a picture of what they can be made into, sadly there are so many folks who think they are the begining and end of everything.
 
Looks like it will be Winks and Hojbjerg against Leeds then.
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Rest everyone against leeds so we are fresh for boro.

To have any chance of getting to the qf winks, peh, son and kane will need to be fresh. No point running them into the ground at leeds as we have nothing to play for in the prem.

After boro everyone can rest up ahead of everton at home the following monday night.

Then we have to rest everyone at man utd and throw that game as they are the only team who can stop the goons getting a CL place.
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Rest everyone against leeds so we are fresh for boro.

To have any chance of getting to the qf winks, peh, son and kane will need to be fresh. No point running them into the ground at leeds as we have nothing to play for in the prem.

After boro everyone can rest up ahead of everton at home the following monday night.

Then we have to rest everyone at man utd and throw that game as they are the only team who can stop the goons getting a CL place.
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If only it were that simple. Seem to recall the last time we rested players prior to a critical game we went on to lose the game they were rested for AND the one they were supposed to have been fresh for.
 
Spur of the moment said:
If only it were that simple. Seem to recall the last time we rested players prior to a critical game we went on to lose the game they were rested for AND the one they were supposed to have been fresh for.
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Oh yes in typical spurs fashion we will likely lose no matter what we do, but I guess we should nonetheless try and increase our chances where it matters.
 
So what the hell is going on with this guy?

First he misses a few games, then he’s about to return and breaks down again. Then he misses a few more games and then we here he is ‘working’ again, then more games pass and we then here the other day from Conte going ballistic at the medical team that he’s still not back, but more worryingly Conte said nothing about when he may return.

So is he fudged or close to returning? And what the hell is up with him anyway, a groin issue and I’m sure I read something a week ago about an infection in the injury or something.
 
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