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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Mikey10 said:
Definitely a point here, but when you’re down to using the Mexican and Finnish leagues as evidence it begins to rather undermine the validity of your stats.
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Yeah, does go to show how many of our players over past decade are well below the standard needed to win the Premier League and can’t blame those who go abroad to pick up some silverware rather than spending rest of their career stuck in mid-table doldrums over here.
 
DubSpur said:
So about 10 players have won anything of note and most of those wins of note are from Bale and Modric.
Tomislav Gomelt?? I had to look that up, he played no games for us, ffs that's even worse than holding up Defoes trophies in Scotland...
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Defoes trophy, singular.
 
The main question should be how many of our current crop have won anything previously? That could be the answer to why we bottle it's
 
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Yiddo said:
The main question should be how many of our current crop have won anything previously. That could be the answer to why we bottle it?
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I'd imagine just as many as there are at several clubs who have won things. We don't typically fail to win trophies because we 'bottle it'. We fail to win trophies as we do not have a good enough squad of players.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'd imagine just as many as there are at several clubs who have won things. We don't typically fail to win trophies because we 'bottle it'. We fail to win trophies as we do not have a good enough squad of players.
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I don’t see how that makes sense, we are good enough to get into that position but not good enough to win 1 game? Liverpool were there for the taking in the champions league final and we didn’t show up, that wasn’t because we were not good enough that was because of mentality.

If we had beaten Leicester at home the season they won the league we could have gone on and won it but again we bottled it. Battle of the bridge, was we not 2-0 up? Bottled it.
 
Yiddo said:
The main question should be how many of our current crop have won anything previously. That could be the answer to why we bottle it?
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Quite a few, and I'd say at least two of them were up there as consistent no shows.
Verts
Toby
Eriksen
Hugo
Aurier
Moura

Off the top of my head.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'd imagine just as many as there are at several clubs who have won things. We don't typically fail to win trophies because we 'bottle it'. We fail to win trophies as we do not have a good enough squad of players.
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Yet we had a squad good enough to finish above teams that won things.... so what did they do different other than win the keys games that won those trophies
 
Yiddo said:
I don’t see how that makes sense, we are good enough to get into that position but not good enough to win 1 game? Liverpool were there for the taking in the champions league final and we didn’t show up, that wasn’t because we were not good enough that was because of meteorology.

If we had beaten Leicester at home the season they won the league we could have gone on and won it but again we bottled it. Battle of the bridge, was we not 2-0 up? Bottled it.
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We are good enough to get into the position as we had (past tense) a good team and a manager that somehow made the sum of the collective even better than the individual parts. The problem is that the most important games come at the business end of seasons and by the business end of seasons we are generally running on empty because the chairman doesn't equip the manager with a big enough squad of quality. I think we'd probably have to go back to Redknapp to think of a time when we had a very good second string and it has weakened since then. Even then Harry wanted a couple more quality players for a real push at the title that January and instead got a couple of old man freebies instead.

I'm not sure whether you realised or not but Liverpool finished that season with many, many more points than us and beat us in both league games. They then went on to win the league at a canter the following season. Liverpool did this because they were better than us. Even considering that in the final we were probably marginally actually the better the team (although it was hard to tell really as the early goal probably impacted their tactics from then on). We were actually better than Liverpool for a few years under Pochettino but unfortuntaley Liverpool's owners did what ours should've done and backed their manager by going out and getting the manager's first choice targets (a couple of which were also our first choice targets). Two of Liverpool's players on our team instead in that CL final would perhaps have seen us being European champions that year. Sliding doors moments....

Battle of bridge..... why was that 'bottling it'? Chelsea brought on a brilliant player in Hazard who scored a brilliant goal. That Chelsea team then won the league at a canter the following season.... they had a bigger, better squad than we did, just as every single proper big club in Europe does. Some clubs have owners who prioritise winning things, some clubs have owners who's ambition is to try to compete. We're in the latter category unfortunately. It therefore takes a HUGE overperformance from our entire football setup to overachieve enough to get over the line.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Yet we had a squad good enough to finish above teams that won things.... so what did they do different other than win the keys games that won those trophies
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1. Have a bigger, better squad. Teams win games, squads win championships.

2. (Sometimes) Put less emphasis on the league to put all efforts into winning a cup. Several teams who have won Cups in recent times have done so at expense of league finish. I don't think our chairman would allow that.... Top 4 is king for him as it's worth more money).

3. Have the priority set from the top that winning trophies is more important than top 4 finishes (i.e. bonus structure where winning a trophy is bigger than simply finishing in the top 4). We had a scenario this year where it seems the chairman sacked the manager just before the League Cup final as it meant the severance terms would've been bigger had we won the trophy. That immediately shows us that a smaller compensation package to the manager is more important than winning a trophy to Daniel Levy and/or Joe Lewis.
 
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