Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
How could you come to that conclusion?
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Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
Hamilton drove outside the track the ENTIRE race. After 3 times there is a 5 second penalty, according to the rules. Hamilton gets told he'll get a penalty if he does it again after doing it about 40 consecutive laps.... Then Verstappen gets told to let Hamilton pass when he did it ONCE, being forced out by Hamilton. The amount of brick Hamilton gets away with is sickening!
Baleforce
Ron Henry
The problem is the ambiguity of application of the rule.
I think they were both warned earlier in the race, although Max maybe just by his team rather than the stewards.
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
You might want to have a read up on the rules[emoji2371]
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
Regardless of where it happens on a track if you have to exceed the limits of the track to enable you to overtake the car in front you will get penalised unless you give the spot back as soon as you can.
What the spoilt brat should have done was give the place back just before the DRS point leading onto the main straight
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
I have. Yes he overtook, using the outside of the track, but only because the clam Hamilton forced him out there, in a spot where he himself had driven off the track, gaining an advantage ON PURPOSE for 40 laps!! It's fine that Verstappen had to give the place back, as those are the rules, but in reality Hamilton should have been given a 5 second penalty after around 5 laps, and black flagged if he'd continued to drive there. If it was the other way around, 100% Verstappen would have received the penalty. Hamilton gets away with all kinds of brick all the time.
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
Verstappen was told by his race engineer that Hamilton was running out wide on that corner and was told to do the same, which he then started doing. Several laps later both he and Hamilton got told to obey track limits on that corner and Hamilton was warned that if he did it again he would receive a penalty.
There were also several other overtakes on that same corner where other drivers where forced wide and backed off.
Monitor the driver radios, you get a muncher clearer insight into what is happening throughout the race
Also regardless of what level of motorsport you compete in every driver will try and push the limits of the track and don’t let the holier that thou flimflam that Brundle spouts fool you otherwise (that old hypocrite was terrible at cutting corners, just watch any of his old race footage)
Anyway don’t let it get to you, it’s only a race and Mad Max will win a fair few of them this year.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
The point is that Hamilton should have been warned about track limits before lap 10! It only came, as you say, after Verstappen was told about Hamilton being given a free ride, and Verstappen doing the same. How about that for fair racing.... Hamilton had been gaining an advantage for 40 laps, but as soon as Verstappen did the same they're told to stay within the track. Its an absolute farse!
Diamond Lights
Didier Zokora
what a race, was buzzing Lewis brought it home, but very exciting stuff. Glad McLaren got some points too, like Norris and Ricciardo.
Probably more relevant here than the TV Thread, no idea why i haven't watched Drive to Survive yet. incredible tv watching, get on it if you haven't.
Probably more relevant here than the TV Thread, no idea why i haven't watched Drive to Survive yet. incredible tv watching, get on it if you haven't.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
here's the difference
https://www.planetf1.com/news/bahrain-gp-track-limits-turn-4/
technically correct, but I'd like those rules to be tightened up
https://www.planetf1.com/news/bahrain-gp-track-limits-turn-4/
technically correct, but I'd like those rules to be tightened up
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Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
It's ridiculous. The lines on the track are there for a fudging reason. Might as well just take some short cuts through the service roads, as it obviously doesn't matter where you drive.
Well, I hope Hamilton continues to drive outside the lines when we get to the city circuts.
Daisuk
Les Medley
Why are the technical specs of the cars so regulated? Safety reasons? You can't do this, you can't do that - isn't it f1? Id like to see a racing sport where you can spank up your car any way you want and any driver can drive the best car regardless of who made it. Seems so archaic to limit drivers to drive a certain kind of car when that car is brick. Just give the drivers the option to choose - would be interesting to see who'd win if they all could drive Mercedes (would probably still be Hamilton, to be fair, but still).
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
Simply put, it's to reduce the cost. Teams other than Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari can barely survive as it is, so to keep it somewhat competitive, various restrictions are put in, to stop the biggest teams to just throw everything at it. If there was no limitations, the sport would die very quickly, as it would not be remotely competitive. This is also the reason they banned refueling. Refuelling cost an additional €100m per team per season.
The only place where there are no restrictions, apart from certain safety features, is the Pikes Peak race. No limits there.
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Daisuk
Les Medley
Cheers for the info. Sounds reasonable. How come the differences are as big as they are though? Mercedes produces their own parts and simply have better engineers? How come a team like Williams can still be in business with how consistently brick they've been over the past few years? They can't be doing very well financially, can they? Can't believe that Claire is still at the helm over there with the results they're getting, but what do I know.
I wonder what Verstappen could do in a Mercedes. I reckon they'll snap him up once Bottas leaves.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
A lot of the smaller teams don't do as much research and improvement to the car during the season as the big teams. For instance, Haas are basically driving the same car as last year, with only some modifications to fit with new rules, as they concentrate efforts and resources to next year's major changes to the cars. I guess Williams have similar priorities. Next year, cost driving research, testing and of production of various wizardry in diffusors and other aerodynamic parts will be less relevant. At least that's the thought behind the rule changes and restrictions on the cars.
Here is a short description next years cars.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Not only this. Also technically we’re too advanced now. There was a sweet spot in the 90s when engineers could innovate freely in F1 and stretch the limits of physics.
I think it was Williams I the 90s who started using a computer system to send power to specific wheels to aid cornering. It wiped off seconds a lap. The progression of these systems now would see cars that go around corners as though they are on rails, with humans not able to handle the G-forces. Drivers would black out. You’d end up with remote controlled drivers in the pits.
Also the faster the cars go, the harder it is to overtake. There is no going back, but the hay day of F1 has gone. Until the naughtiest engineers could innovate and push boundaries. Now it’s about shaving off 1gram here and there, and trying to find loop holes in the regs to gain an advantage.
There is such a disparity between top and bottom because milliseconds matter. Shaving off 0.1 of a second a lap costs £100m or whatever. The smaller teams often have ideas but not the resources to try out ideas for saving their fractions of seconds.
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Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
It's not really about shaving off weight anymore, as they have constantly increased the minimum weight of car+driver, so weight isn't really an issue. It's the aero, chassis and power pack and engine management electronics that is important. More and more parts are homogeneous, so it's mainly the chassis and engine management that differs. Next year there will be only 3 engine suppliers, Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari, as Honda are pulling out after this season, which is a shame, as they finally seem to have a competitive power pack this year. So a team that buys engines from Mercedes, will have the exact same engine as the Mercedes factory team. Engines are supplied to F1/FIA and them redistributed to the teams. This ensures that the factory team can't supply better engines to themselves. The engine management systems though, are made by each team.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
I think some miss the weight target/minimum weight https://www.grandprix.com/news/new-double-diffuser-likely-in-2021-says-green.html
Or you want to use the weight in certain areas eg engine to increase performance.
But yes it’s interesting, in 1995 the first year weight minimums were introduced (?) cars had to be at least 595kgs. With all the safety kit and hybrid engines it’s now 768kgs. Despite that the cars are vastly faster and more fuel efficient.
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