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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Yep
That would be where I would place us
Poch had us consistently above that
That is why I was so peeved that Levy pulled the trigger so quickly when we had our dip. I would've much preferred that he instead entrusted him with the rebuild. All water under the bridge now of course.

One of my reasons for wanting a young, project manager (combined with a great DoF) at present is that I think we need a DoF & manager pairing who can make a team that is greater than the sum of its cost and its parts to be able to punch above our weight (which we need to do if we're to get back to the (financial) holy grail of the Champions League.

I saw the other day though that sacking Mourinho would cost £36 million... If that happens to be true then the manager is going nowhere for quite a while yet.
 
That is why I was so peeved that Levy pulled the trigger so quickly when we had our dip. I would've much preferred that he instead entrusted him with the rebuild. All water under the bridge now of course.

One of my reasons for wanting a young, project manager (combined with a great DoF) at present is that I think we need a DoF & manager pairing who can make a team that is greater than the sum of its cost and its parts to be able to punch above our weight (which we need to do if we're to get back to the (financial) holy grail of the Champions League.
There were a lot of fans who wanted Poch out
There were a lot of fans whose sole measure is trophies
They still exist except now they want Jose out
But we are where are now. Levy made his call and he has made some right ones and some wrong ones
When things are going bad the wrong ones come to the fore and are highlighted, which is natural
Personally I made it clear I blamed the players not Poch. I still do
I believe ... just my opinion... that levy may have viewed the failings of quite a lot of the signings that failed and balanced that with the need to invest in a new squad (Poch raised that himself). Don’t forget a lot of the failed signings never really got many games to prove themselves in the end
And maybe he took a view that if we’re gonna buy our way to a refresh why not get in a guy with a record of buying success (the common thing thrown at Jose)
Of course then COVIDS done a Spurs and the whole landscapes changed
Some of it could have course been rectified by having a DOF and a more consistent strategy and approach but he, for whatever reason, didn’t do that
I believe that still needs rectifying
 
Of our last 10 managers, statistically in terms of points per league game he is. The sample size for Sherwood is small though.

Of course there are a lot of other factors to consider when judging who is best....
For example Jol took us from midtable to be pretty much consistently the 5th best club in the league. He started from a much lower base than any of those other manager's IMO so there is a lot of credit in that.

Both AVB and Jose started from a very high base (in AVB's case a team that finished 4th the year before and really should've been 3rd) and in Mourinho's case a team that had just had 4 CL qualifications in a row as well as getting to a CL final and having £70 million net invested on some good players since then.

I would say that Pochettino was clearly the best of all of them in that he gave us a sustained time in the upper echelons of the league and actually had us competing for the biggest trophies. I don't think anyone could really make a coherent argument against that.

Redknapp probably next best in that he managed to break through the glass ceiling (that was a big step). He also took on a team that was in way worse shape in terms of performances compared to what any of the other managers inherited (the whole 2 points from 8 games thing that Redknapp admittedly overplayed, but does need to be considered)

Jol probably next best as he took us from being a perennial midtable club to a club competing in Europe again (that was also a big step)

After that there is Sherwood's very high PPG and obvious improvement on what went before him with AVB.

Mourinho and AVB are next up. At present you'd probably have to put AVB above Jose, as AVB got us a 5th place finish (1 worse than the season before) and had us declining to 7th the following season and looking clueless at the point he got sacked.

If Mourinho makes Europa via league position this season then with 2 Europa's in a row he'd be above AVB. If he got us into CL this season then he'd move above Sherwood and probably Jol as well and get another season to see if he could be considered as better than the other two.
This is pretty much my feeling on our ex managers! In Mourinho’s defence It’s hard to gauge last season as we were hampered by the loss of Son and Kane, plus it was a mid season transition with the impact of covid on top. This season it seems like winning a cup is a get of jail free card, especially if it’s the Europa which brings CL income.
Where does Ramos fit in your ranking, as he took over from a likeable manager that exceeded initial expectations but couldn’t quite deliver on the increased ones? Won a cup at the detriment of league performance...As that may end up being the manager Mourinho ends up being competed to!
 
Why? What difference will it make? None of us are there cheering them on.

If people aren't happy at the performances and/or results then what harm does expressing that on a fans forum do?.... other than to you and a few others who are fed up with it?


No more harm than me expressing my opinion then?

You don’t agree so if you’re one of our ‘fans’ who get off calling our manager a dinosaur then you fill your boots
 
That is why I was so peeved that Levy pulled the trigger so quickly when we had our dip. I would've much preferred that he instead entrusted him with the rebuild. All water under the bridge now of course.

One of my reasons for wanting a young, project manager (combined with a great DoF) at present is that I think we need a DoF & manager pairing who can make a team that is greater than the sum of its cost and its parts to be able to punch above our weight (which we need to do if we're to get back to the (financial) holy grail of the Champions League.

I saw the other day though that sacking Mourinho would cost £36 million... If that happens to be true then the manager is going nowhere for quite a while yet.


I was peeved that Levy didn’t pull the trigger earlier
Like directly after the CL final
That would have given Jose the Summer before the following season
Maybe he felt some sort of misplaced loyalty to Poch or Jose wasn’t ready?
Who knows?
 
I was peeved that Levy didn’t pull the trigger earlier
Like directly after the CL final
That would have given Jose the Summer before the following season
Maybe he felt some sort of misplaced loyalty to Poch or Jose wasn’t ready?
Who knows?

Probably because Poch overachieved with the squad he had and had no need to be sacked. He said we need to rebuild though.

Levy thought, no we don't, brought in Jose, and has now found out, we DO need a rebuild and Poch was right all along. Though instead of using the forward thinking manager we had who played good football and had built a team over several years, we have a manager brought in with terrible football with no evidence he can build a team from where we are.

Sacking Poch after the CL. LOLZ.
 
That is why I was so peeved that Levy pulled the trigger so quickly when we had our dip. I would've much preferred that he instead entrusted him with the rebuild. All water under the bridge now of course.

One of my reasons for wanting a young, project manager (combined with a great DoF) at present is that I think we need a DoF & manager pairing who can make a team that is greater than the sum of its cost and its parts to be able to punch above our weight (which we need to do if we're to get back to the (financial) holy grail of the Champions League.

I saw the other day though that sacking Mourinho would cost £36 million... If that happens to be true then the manager is going nowhere for quite a while yet.

I think we all wanted Poch to turn it round but it became obvious after the Bayern and Brighton defeats that we needed a change. I fully agree he should have been backed in the windows prior to summer 2019 but it is what it is and I think Poch looked slightly fed up after the CL final also. Most managers hit a wall after a set amount of time, Klopp even said the players at Dortmund stopped listening to him after a while. Managers like Poch and Klopp demand a hell of a lot physically from their players. Didn’t Eriksen say the players were sulking/demoralised from the CL final? Yes that sounds weak and feckless but we needed a rebuild of personnel. Let’s not forget as well that our league form plummeted after the Burnley game in the penultimate season.
 
I was peeved that Levy didn’t pull the trigger earlier
Like directly after the CL final
That would have given Jose the Summer before the following season
Maybe he felt some sort of misplaced loyalty to Poch or Jose wasn’t ready?
Who knows?
Were you always a critic of Poch or just in the last season?
 
Were you always a critic of Poch or just in the last season?


I did post earlier that I didn’t want him before he rocked up here but he won me round and he was good for a couple of years

Are you talking about his last season when we were 14th before Levy sacked him or the season before when our last decent PL performance was away to Everton before Xmas?
 
I think we all wanted Poch to turn it round but it became obvious after the Bayern and Brighton defeats that we needed a change. I fully agree he should have been backed in the windows prior to summer 2019 but it is what it is and I think Poch looked slightly fed up after the CL final also. Most managers hit a wall after a set amount of time, Klopp even said the players at Dortmund stopped listening to him after a while. Managers like Poch and Klopp demand a hell of a lot physically from their players. Didn’t Eriksen say the players were sulking/demoralised from the CL final? Yes that sounds weak and feckless but we needed a rebuild of personnel. Let’s not forget as well that our league form plummeted after the Burnley game in the penultimate season.


Agree with that
 
I did post earlier that I didn’t want him before he rocked up here but he won me round and he was good for a couple of years

Are you talking about his last season when we were 14th before Levy sacked him or the season before when our last decent PL performance was away to Everton before Xmas?
‘Good for a couple of years’ :D
 
I did post earlier that I didn’t want him before he rocked up here but he won me round and he was good for a couple of years

Are you talking about his last season when we were 14th before Levy sacked him or the season before when our last decent PL performance was away to Everton before Xmas?
After I posted it I thought I probably should have asked if you were critical once the form significantly dropped from January 2019.

No beef at all, was just wondering if you were always critical which I think is fair enough.
 
After I posted it I thought I probably should have asked if you were critical once the form significantly dropped from January 2019.

No beef at all, was just wondering if you were always critical which I think is fair enough.
GHod yes, we were hopeless in the months leading up to the CL. The huge bright spot was 3 goals in 3 minutes after getting outplayed by Ajax.
 
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