Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Well yes to a degree. Think what Klopp has taught us that English football works best when you attack.
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Old Guard/Bad Eggs - POLL ADDED
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Well yes to a degree. Think what Klopp has taught us that English football works best when you attack.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
And also change the whole team form the one you inherit over 5 seasons
Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
As an aside, I'd rather watch bombing out the Old Guard with bad eggs than our team play football.
To clarify, I'm not dismissing the tactics, I'm quite happy with conceding possession, defending well, and razor sharp counter attacking.
What we are watching at the moment is a half hearted pile of brick, not quite the end of Poch's days depths, but not far off. Is this more to do with players/manager going through the motions and picking up the cheque? We didn't have one local, or even English lad on the pitch yesterday. There needs to be a reason to give a fudge.
To clarify, I'm not dismissing the tactics, I'm quite happy with conceding possession, defending well, and razor sharp counter attacking.
What we are watching at the moment is a half hearted pile of brick, not quite the end of Poch's days depths, but not far off. Is this more to do with players/manager going through the motions and picking up the cheque? We didn't have one local, or even English lad on the pitch yesterday. There needs to be a reason to give a fudge.
StephenH
David Ginola
Yes but it will take time at least two to three windows
braineclipse
Willie Hall
The game last night...
How many players from the 14 involved in the pitch would get into another top 6 side?
Without getting dragged into a debate on specific players, I'm estimating... not many. 3?
We have some players that might get there given time. We have some players that have been there. But there's a real shortage of quality when we have key players missing. Not necessarily in attitude, though perhaps that too. But definitely in terms of pure quality.
How many players from the 14 involved in the pitch would get into another top 6 side?
Without getting dragged into a debate on specific players, I'm estimating... not many. 3?
We have some players that might get there given time. We have some players that have been there. But there's a real shortage of quality when we have key players missing. Not necessarily in attitude, though perhaps that too. But definitely in terms of pure quality.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
We haven’t really shifted any of note in any window
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I've looked at our first team listing on the official site and I'd only keep 12/13 of the players that I think can perform for a top 4 side. I think the problems of poor scouting and Levy pricing players out of a move or giving average players long contracts too inflate their value are really coming home to bite us in the ass.
On the plus side 4 of those who I don't rate will be leaving in the Summer due to expiring contracts/loans, but we have a massive job in turning over the rest and unless Levy makes big changes to the way he and the club deal with transfers, we're a little fudged.
On the plus side 4 of those who I don't rate will be leaving in the Summer due to expiring contracts/loans, but we have a massive job in turning over the rest and unless Levy makes big changes to the way he and the club deal with transfers, we're a little fudged.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Dont forgot the player has to want to go
Things like kids schools and London comforts have a big day in players not wanting to leave
StephenH
David Ginola
I'm assuming ‘the new guy’ is pushing this. But.....
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
I think this is a more interesting angle. Who are the players that are good enough? It’s pretty clear:
Kane, Son, Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lloris
Aurier/Doherty, Dier, Reguilon and Bergjwin should be in the list above but still need to prove themselves.
All the rest are average or need to deliver on their potential. A couple are not good enough full stop. It’s harsh but Sanchez and Davies are never going to be CL quality. Quite a few others too. Of course it’s never easy to sell your worst players. But what I don’t understand is Mourinho playing them.
Yesterday he made some odd decisions. Sissoko and Davies have never been adept at attacking but he played them as wing backs. The key attacking players when using that system. With Reguilon and Aurier/Doherty sure, but what made him think Sissoko and Davies would work? Sissoko was ok, at least he got forward and stretched them occasionally. But a strange selection. Then why drop Dier when we need some consistency in the side with Kane out? Again a strange decision. Drop Aurier and leave Doherty on the bench, a player who’s played wing back for years.
We need a good clear out, more or less sell anyone who commands a fee apart from those top 5 plus Dier and Reguilon (he’s on loan but we should try to keep him).
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braineclipse
Willie Hall
I pretty much agree.
I think Davies is fine for his role, a backup left back. We have plenty of players good enough for backup/rotation roles, but they're not very good fits for the system and that makes it deeply problematic when combined with the lack of quality in the strongest 11 outside those you mentioned.
Some hope to take from the recruitment this summer, at least some problems were addressed and solved rather quickly.
If our current downwards trajectory continues for a while that hope will give me very little comfort in what will be a long and dreadful season. Hopefully we can turn things around sooner rather than later.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The last 6 are all good enough squad players in a 25 man squad. At least two clubs that finish in the top 4 will have worse squad players.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Poch was trying to overhaul the squad, the chairman let him down somewhat for a few years with buys and sales and then didn’t wait to allow him to integrate the new players he had signed after he finally gave him a budget befitting of a CL club.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
But the old guard... his staples let him down
Badly
And a lot of them havent actually got better for anything more than a few games... arguably they have just carried on with the lazy attitude. Or maybe they just weren’t that good and it was Poch squeezing that last drop out of them
I mean if your looking at players of the season you would have son and Kane from the old team.... then it’s Tanguy (Yeo didn’t play much for Poch who said who would need at least a year), Reggie and Hojdjerg.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Which players have been lazy?
That is 5 absolute top quality players you list there. Only a couple of teams have more than that
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
They were huge part of why we were too too
The whole defence was lazy vs pool. It relaxed and switched off at a critical time again abs cost is the all important goal at the wrong time. Second half we didn’t muster a shot after the 48th minute. That was because the players didn’t work hard enough
I mean you will argue it’s tactics but Burnley beat pool with similar tactics because they worked hard enough
We had players jogging around on Sunday. I don’t think any broke into sprints until the 70th minute.
That’s my view just on the last two games
Bishop
Terry Venables
That tactical approach suits the Burnley squad due to type of players they are, the expectations they have and their history of playing that way.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
But they did win vs the team we lost too, playing the tactics that people say we shouldn’t play
And they have inferior players
Not really sure how tactics align to expectations and history ...
Baleforce
Ron Henry
they really really shouldn't
Bishop
Terry Venables
They allign because thos Burnley players are going to buy in fully to that system as they do not have the talent to play otherwise. Play any other way and they will just get relegated (they still might).
At Spurs we don't have to play the low block and counter that Jose is choosing to use. We might now be seeing the players turn away from a system that is not typical for players and clubs of our stature.
I'm personally not anti counter football but I do think Mourinho has implemented it incorrectly. Fergies Manchester United pretty much always played on the counter and their football was breathtaking, Jose's own Real Madrid were initially fantastic to watch and they lived for the transition. At Spurs though it has been too defensive, too reactionary and as I told you some weeks ago far too one dimensional which I think you can see now has lessened it's effectiveness.