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The all new Striker thread..

Gutter Boy said:
Ade will be cheap as he's in the last year of his contract now (the rumour of our option on him was £8m).

Most of our spending this summer will be funded by Modric's sale. We should also have the Krancjar, Corluka, Pav, Crouch and Palacios money still in the bank (c.£40m+).
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We should have a tonne of money - wages saved, players sold (pav, Charlie, Krunchie - thats 20m right there not to mention 30-40m for Luka) However I have also been saying that we have a tone of money for the last two windows - but doesnt appear to be the case. This summer may prove me wrong.

Either way we really need to invest in the squad and the first team otherwise we will be left behind
 
Rorschach said:
I know he is injured and might never come back the same player, hence it is a gamble but one that might pay off in the run in next year. We probably don't even have to register him in the squad until January. This guy was worth about €35mil not that long ago but considering the situation could be picked up on the cheap.
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No way can we afford to make that gamble at this time.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Ade will be cheap as he's in the last year of his contract now (the rumour of our option on him was £8m).

Most of our spending this summer will be funded by Modric's sale. We should also have the Krancjar, Corluka, Pav, Crouch and Palacios money still in the bank (c.£40m+).
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I do not understand why we would not have a war chest of at least £50m before we sell anyone this summer. How about the money we have earned for finishing 4th, 5th and 4th over the last 3 seasons plus our CL run two years ago? It is not like we have splashed the cash over the last 3 years. Apart from Sandro, Parler and VDV who have we actually bought over the last 3 seasons? It is not like we pay silly money on wages
 
NaijaSpurs said:
I do not understand why we would not have a war chest of at least £50m before we sell anyone this summer. How about the money we have earned for finishing 4th, 5th and 4th over the last 3 seasons plus our CL run two years ago? It is not like we have splashed the cash over the last 3 years. Apart from Sandro, Parler and VDV who have we actually bought over the last 3 seasons? It is not like we pay silly money on wages
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You've got to assume that we've been investing some of our earnings over the past few years in the stadium fund though, right? Which is a good thing in my view; the less debt we take on to build the new place, the better the club will be in the long term. I'm as hungry for Spurs success as any fan, but I'm happy to take a long-term view as well... assuming I'm still around, I'll still be a Spurs fan in 10, 20, 30... 40 years, and if we have to cut back on our transfer expenditure over the next 3 years to help build a better future, then so be it.
 
Fairly certain AVB will stick to his 433 / 343 formation, and that Rafael will be used in the Hulk role if any.
It's a role not far from what he's played at times under Redknapp.
AVB might have to tweek his favoured system, but he'll stay close to his football philosophy.


Bale - NEW STRIKER - van der Vaart

Moutinho? - Sigurdsson
Sandro

BAE - Vertonghen - Kaboul - Walker

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Looks like we might lose out on De Jong, but have agreed a fee for Douglas with them.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
The problem I have with this type of players is that you never know when the goals will dry. Being in the right place at the right time isn't exactly a skill. Since it's not exactly a skill, the slightest change in the player's life can turn a goal-scoring machine into a complete donkey. The history of football is full of players with nothing special who managed to maintain an excellent scoring ratio for decades (Inzaghi for instance) so there's a chance he'll score a thousand goals in his career. But for every Inzaghi, there's a Jardel.

It's all a matter of opinions, but I'd take a guy like Ibrahimovic any day of the week over Falcao. You know he's going to miss a lot of chances, you know he's going to bottle it when the going gets tough but, at least, you know what you're getting.
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I think you will find right place right time is most certainly a skill and one that is coveted most. A player who has it in their natural game to just drift into space, always available, seemingly and infuratingly always there is one of the things I look for most in a player.

Inzaghi made a career out of being lucky? What are you talking about? He wasnt the world class player some led you believe but he would waltz into our team in his prime. I still remember him demolising Liverpool in the 2007 file aged 33.
 
P.D. said:
I think you will find right place right time is most certainly a skill and one that is coveted most. A player who has it in their natural game to just drift into space, always available, seemingly and infuratingly always there is one of the things I look for most in a player.

Inzaghi made a career out of being lucky? What are you talking about? He wasnt the world class player some led you believe but he would waltz into our team in his prime. I still remember him demolising Liverpool in the 2007 file aged 33.
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tihnk you might have read that bit wrong, he's saying that inzaghi was indeed a top player , but for every one of those , you can also get the other guys.....but both players have a 'knack' for being in the right place at the right time....its a fifty fifty split. you dont know what kind of player you're getting so caution in assessing based on a less than tangible skill is advised

for instance...if you put falcao in a team like stoke, chances are that he would be crap for most of the time but then score a goal now and again. but if you put ibrahimovic in stoke then even if he scores or he doesnt you can view the measurable tangible skill he'll provide in strength and holding the ball up while looking at the mirror admiring his hair and poise on the ball
 
imo AVB's team will need an Inzaghi, Lineker, Falcao type, a poacher to score a lot of goals.....
 
P.D. said:
I think you will find right place right time is most certainly a skill and one that is coveted most. A player who has it in their natural game to just drift into space, always available, seemingly and infuratingly always there is one of the things I look for most in a player.

Inzaghi made a career out of being lucky? What are you talking about? He wasnt the world class player some led you believe but he would waltz into our team in his prime. I still remember him demolising Liverpool in the 2007 file aged 33.
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Where did you see the word 'lucky'? I'm still of the opinion that 'being in the right place in the right time' isn't a measurable skill. Inzaghi is indeed a top player but that's easier to say because his playing days are practically at an end now and because he managed a high scoring ratio for more than two decades - which would be impossible on pure luck. However, we should also remember that he still got a lot of stick whenever he went through a barren spell, particularly in his AC Milan days.

If 'being in the right place at the right time' was actually a measurable skill, how do you explain that some players suddenly lose it? Ravanelli had a fairly decent record until he turned 30 when it suddenly became quite miserable. I can't help but think that when you sign a guy with no particular skill other than a great scoring record, you're playing Russian roulette: someday the goals will dry and when that happens you're not left with much.

On the other hand, if you sign a guy like Berbatov you know you'll get a lazy git with superb ball skills and that's something you can rely on, regardless of his goalscoring form.

But, again, it's just a matter of opinion and I certainly don't claim mine to be any more valid that yours.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
He plays with one up top doesn't he? The most important thing a lone striker has got to be able to do is hold the ball up and bring others into play.
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not necessarily.....his Porto team was heavily reliant on Falcao and his opportunistic goals. Falcao is not a target man, doesnt excel at holding up the ball and bringing others into play, most of the game he can be very quiet but when you need someoen to get on the end of a cross or make an incisive run in between defenders to get on the end of a thru ball, he was, and is the man
 
indianspur said:
not necessarily.....his Porto team was heavily reliant on Falcao and his opportunistic goals. Falcao is not a target man, doesnt excel at holding up the ball and bringing others into play, most of the game he can be very quiet but when you need someoen to get on the end of a cross or make an incisive run in between defenders to get on the end of a thru ball, he was, and is the man
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I think that it would be a lot harder to line up with a loan striker who cannot bring others into play in the Premier League
 
indianspur said:
not necessarily.....his Porto team was heavily reliant on Falcao and his opportunistic goals. Falcao is not a target man, doesnt excel at holding up the ball and bringing others into play, most of the game he can be very quiet but when you need someoen to get on the end of a cross or make an incisive run in between defenders to get on the end of a thru ball, he was, and is the man
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I agree with this pretty much. I had the pleasure of seeing him live last year and the best way I can describe him is a sneaky fudge.

I'd also say that he is the most natural finisher in the game at the moment. He hardly ever misses.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Where did you see the word 'lucky'? I'm still of the opinion that 'being in the right place in the right time' isn't a measurable skill. Inzaghi is indeed a top player but that's easier to say because his playing days are practically at an end now and because he managed a high scoring ratio for more than two decades - which would be impossible on pure luck. However, we should also remember that he still got a lot of stick whenever he went through a barren spell, particularly in his AC Milan days.

If 'being in the right place at the right time' was actually a measurable skill, how do you explain that some players suddenly lose it? Ravanelli had a fairly decent record until he turned 30 when it suddenly became quite miserable. I can't help but think that when you sign a guy with no particular skill other than a great scoring record, you're playing Russian roulette: someday the goals will dry and when that happens you're not left with much.

On the other hand, if you sign a guy like Berbatov you know you'll get a lazy git with superb ball skills and that's something you can rely on, regardless of his goalscoring form.

But, again, it's just a matter of opinion and I certainly don't claim mine to be any more valid that yours.
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Being 'in the right place at the right time' requires stamina and an almost heightened awareness of the play around you, which is something some players have naturally and some can learn. In my opinion, that's what makes it a skill.

When you are a player in that mould and you start to lose that bit of pace/stamina to get into those positions then you lose quite a lot of what makes you dangerous in the first place. I agree with your example of Ravenelli. He scored goals. His legs went. He couldn't offer much else afterwards. A bit laymans terms but hopefully you get my drift.
 
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Hmm....Darren Bent was a man who knew how to be in the right place at the right time. He still does.

Don't remember him being admired much at the Lane, though.
 
indianspur said:
not necessarily.....his Porto team was heavily reliant on Falcao and his opportunistic goals. Falcao is not a target man, doesnt excel at holding up the ball and bringing others into play, most of the game he can be very quiet but when you need someoen to get on the end of a cross or make an incisive run in between defenders to get on the end of a thru ball, he was, and is the man
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Different league to the Premiership.
 
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