Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

[yiddo2786]

whats you're preference

good football

or results

The two aren't mutually exclusive at all.

 

[billyiddo]

id like to know what qualities people think Moyes has as a manager that would make him a progressive appointment for us ? what skills has he shown at Everton that we can expect him to bring to us, should he come here ?

 

[africanspurs]

The two aren't mutually exclusive at all.

who said they were?

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

whats you're preference

good football

or results

BOTH

 

[yiddo2786]

who said they were?

Me. I'd like both.

 

[africanspurs]

Me. I'd like both.

you said they were mutually exclusive? why ?

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

id like to know what qualities people think Moyes has as a manager that would make him a progressive appointment for us ? what skills has he shown at Everton that we can expect him to bring to us, should he come here ?

His players adore him, and play for him.
He has shown he can bring youth into the team.
His teams are always extremeley well organised.
His teams are generally solid in defence.
He will buy well on a shoe string.
He has shown he is comitted to his job, and generally conducts himself very well in public/as a club ambassador

 

[africanspurs]

I think by the responses, albeit clever ones, that i am getting is that people dont actually know what they want from this new manager as a priority.

are people just be 'bored' of redknapp?...that he's become too familiar?

 

[BrainOfLevy]

whats you're preference

good football

or results

Both.

It just comes down to the manager's preference, and personality. If in actual fact it worked like Moyes would guarentee us better results than Harry gets us, but knows he had to play reactive football to do it, than I'd say go for Moyes. But that isn't the case. He simply has a way of doing things that gets him a certain amount of success for his club, but it's not a guarentee of better results with us, or even a better chance of results.

I feel the manager has to be the right fit for the club, or else he's on the back foot from the beginning. A negative atmosphere gets created because the fans aren't happy, then when we get a couple of bad results, there is no goodwill from the fans, it just becomes even worse and the atmosphere becomes poisonnous. There is also the argument to say that Moyes simply knows his football, and if he had better players more suited to a passing game then he could very well play good football with us, and get results. But it's a risk. We wouldn't be hiring him for what he is good at, which is grinding out results on a budget. We'd be hiring a man good at grinding out results on a budget to help us play good football and challenge at the top end of the league. I'd rather we got someone in that's natural instinct was to play good football, rather than risk that someone would change their personality and philosophy to suit us.

I may be wrong. If SAF really touts Moyes as a possible successer at Man United then maybe he does have some more ideas and fancies doing something different with another club. But I'd consider Moyes more of a gamble than AVB or Martinez because we are banking on the fact that he can do something different to what he has been doing before, and I've never really seen any proof that it can happen, Mourinho aside. And Mourinho has always been given serious cash to get any player he wants.

I just worry that Moyes will tend to shut up shop, have us playing defensively and protecting leads too early on and focus on having us be hard to beat. That's not how I want Spurs to play. Some of the goals Everton score are nice, so they can play good footballl. But it's the decision making. Some managers 'go for it' and some managers prefer to hedge their risk and drop back. But maybe he is a pure winner and maybe results will improve on the back of his management.

I just see that as the gamble to be honest. I see it as with AVB or Martinez, you get them the right players to make their systems work and they will work. With Moyes, we're asking him to change his whole philosophy to suit us. But maybe I needn't worry, because if Levy decides to go for Moyes I'm sure one of the considerations is style of football. Moyes will have to sell Levy on how he envisions the first team playing before being offered the job I'm sure.

 

[africanspurs]

His players adore him, and play for him.
He has shown he can bring youth into the team.
His teams are always extremeley well organised.
His teams are generally solid in defence.
He will buy well on a shoe string.
He has shown he is comitted to his job, and generally conducts himself very well in public/as a club ambassador

and he has an X-factor in that he can get his team to show constant bottle, real fight and real belief during 90 mins

 

[Jimmy-g]

I think by the responses, albeit clever ones, that i am getting is that people dont actually know what they want from this new manager as a priority.

are people just be 'bored' of redknapp?...that he's become too familiar?

Personally his self promotion and the ability to open his mouth at the first sight of a mic and talk absolute brick is the only thing I have against him, his record has a manager since he has been with us is very very good.

 

[africanspurs]

Both.

It just comes down to the manager's preference, and personality. If in actual fact it worked like Moyes would guarentee us better results than Harry gets us, but knows he had to play reactive football to do it, than I'd say go for Moyes. But that isn't the case. He simply has a way of doing things that gets him a certain amount of success for his club, but it's not a guarentee of better results with us, or even a better chance of results.

I feel the manager has to be the right fit for the club, or else he's on the back foot from the beginning. A negative atmosphere gets created because the fans aren't happy, then when we get a couple of bad results, there is no goodwill from the fans, it just becomes even worse and the atmosphere becomes poisonnous. There is also the argument to say that Moyes simply knows his football, and if he had better players more suited to a passing game then he could very well play good football with us, and get results. But it's a risk. We wouldn't be hiring him for what he is good at, which is grinding out results on a budget. We'd be hiring a man good at grinding out results on a budget to help us play good football and challenge at the top end of the league. I'd rather we got someone in that's natural instinct was to play good football, rather than risk that someone would change their personality and philosophy to suit us.

I may be wrong. If SAF really touts Moyes as a possible successer at Man United then maybe he does have some more ideas and fancies doing something different with another club. But I'd consider Moyes more of a gamble than AVB or Martinez because we are banking on the fact that he can do something different to what he has been doing before, and I've never really seen any proof that it can happen, Mourinho aside. And Mourinho has always been given serious cash to get any player he wants.

I just worry that Moyes will tend to shut up shop, have us playing defensively and protecting leads too early on and focus on having us be hard to beat. That's not how I want Spurs to play. Some of the goals Everton score are nice, so they can play good footballl. But it's the decision making. Some managers 'go for it' and some managers prefer to hedge their risk and drop back. But maybe he is a pure winner and maybe results will improve on the back of his management.

I just see that as the gamble to be honest. I see it as with AVB or Martinez, you get them the right players to make their systems work and they will work. With Moyes, we're asking him to change his whole philosophy to suit us. But maybe I needn't worry, because if Levy decides to go for Moyes I'm sure one of the considerations is style of football. Moyes will have to sell Levy on how he envisions the first team playing before being offered the job I'm sure.

another question dodger.

i just see it as people not trying to face hard facts and decisions. fact of the matter is that we have a manager now that brings good results and plays attractive football , we want to get rid for what exatly? someone that will bring better fotball AND better results? the chances of that being high or low? i say EXTREMELY low...BIG RISK

but by all means evade the question and focus on the comment above. i dont expect people to answer something that could make their points for about over 100 pages seem abit obselete

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

and he has an X-factor in that he can get his team to show constant bottle, real fight and real belief during 90 mins

Not sure I agree with that at all. Big occasions have beaten them time and again, not really sure Bottle is the word.

I suspect you might be confusing a defensive, compact, hard to beat set up with "bottle"

 

[africanspurs]

Personally his self promotion and the ability to open his mouth at the first sight of a mic and talk absolute brick is the only thing I have against him, his record has a manager since he has been with us is very very good.

I think i see this as probably the best comment about why people want him out. people want him out because of his character and his behaviour? thats fair enough and thats a perfectly valid reason if its one. BUT IMO its when they throw in 'other stuff' just to decorate the fact that "we just dont want him anymore. so there"

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I think by the responses, albeit clever ones, that i am getting is that people dont actually know what they want from this new manager as a priority.

are people just be 'bored' of redknapp?...that he's become too familiar?

I want "more" than Redknapp. The things he does well, plus improvement on the things he doesnt.

I want to see a system of play in the side, a trained - built in foundation to how we play.
I want to see a well considered and thought out transfer strategy. Ideally a 2 tier approach like under Arnesen.
I want to see reactions to things that arent working BEFORE they become a disadvantage to us.
I want to see the squad utilised to its fullest.

 

[africanspurs]

Not sure I agree with that at all. Big occasions have beaten them time and again, not really sure Bottle is the word.

I suspect you might be confusing a defensive, compact, hard to beat set up with "bottle"

actually no, that would be birmingham and sunderland....i'm talking about bottle. the kind that makes rodwell , anichebe, coleman, osman etc etcto look in the face of man united players / team and say "fudge OFF". when we play united i easily predict us bottling it. i dont see that with everton

which big occasions can you recall have turned them into a beaten team? as in they folded and just felt they couldnt really compete

 

[billyiddo]

His players adore him, and play for him.
He has shown he can bring youth into the team.
His teams are always extremeley well organised.
His teams are generally solid in defence.
He will buy well on a shoe string.
He has shown he is comitted to his job, and generally conducts himself very well in public/as a club ambassador
He has an X-factor in that he can get his team to show constant bottle, real fight and real belief during 90 mins

hmm good stuff, so if he could manage to retain those qualities here, whilst adapting his style of play to something more attacking/stylish, he'd be a good appointment ?

 

[africanspurs]

I want "more" than Redknapp. The things he does well, plus improvement on the things he doesnt.

I want to see a system of play in the side, a trained - built in foundation to how we play.
I want to see a well considered and thought out transfer strategy. Ideally a 2 tier approach like under Arnesen.
I want to see reactions to things that arent working BEFORE they become a disadvantage to us.
I want to see the squad utilised to its fullest.

so you want ferguson / wenger / guardiola / mourinho..., and you want it now.

not to mention you also want in built playing system thats been ingrained from the ground up , you also want this now i take it.

i canT really say much about the last two points, the squad thing is odd though....did you want harry to rotate the winning team or something?

Plus all this is moot in a way until someone tells me what their preference is, good football or results....or to make it easier......whats more important to them ..good football or results

 

[Jimmy-g]

I think i see this as probably the best comment about why people want him out. people want him out because of his character and his behaviour? thats fair enough and thats a perfectly valid reason if its one. BUT IMO its when they throw in 'other stuff' just to decorate the fact that "we just dont want him anymore. so there"

Surely everyone agrees that hes done a better than good job for us, why do we have such problems as a club, we have never ever been a "lucky" team everything we do is always done the hard way, with Redknap I thought we would have a long term manager and then he would go upstairs and have a long association with the club, wishful thinking from me I suppose.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

actually no, that would be birmingham and sunderland....i'm talking about bottle. the kind that makes rodwell , anichebe, coleman, osman etc etcto look in the face of man united players / team and say "fudge OFF". when we play united i easily predict us bottling it. i dont see that with everton

which big occasions can you recall have turned them into a beaten team? as in they folded and just felt they couldnt really compete

Going to OT they had nothing to lose, its easy to play with freedom then. Though respect to them for not letting the size of the game get to them.

Big OCCASIONS? How about the last handful of derbys? The Cup final against Chelsea? The CL Qualifier?