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Trump and American politics

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Danishfurniturelover, 26 Jan 2016.

  1. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry John Lacy

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    Firstly, it's pretty bricky to post a quote without at least quotation marks - it appears deliberately deceitful.

    Secondly, I'm not sure that quote is racist - the logic behind it stands up. Why would you vote for Trump if you are Black/Hispanic/Female etc.
    The answer to which is multifaceted (self interest ahead of demographic; staunch conservatism; others I'm not aware of) - but the voting record for the last election clearly shows its that black and white (if you'll excuse the expression).
    It will be interesting to see how that goes this time - I get a feeling even a lot of "never Dem" voters would take the Dems for a term to stop Trump burning the country to the ground.
    I wonder if we'll just see a low GOP voter turn out - a little like the Dems not wanting to vote Clinton last time.
     
  2. parklane1

    parklane1 Gary Stevens

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    About sums up some on here well and its good to see a sensible post.
     
  3. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    I wouldn't totally agree with this monkeybaz though I get the point that grifting and re-election dominates a lot of his thinking. Racism is the central tenet of his re-election, as it was last time and has been the whole time he has been in office. The difference this time is he has nothing else to run on. No other promises that he can make to pad out a policy platform. He's failed in every promise that he has made and all he has left is red meat for the base. And sadly that seems enough for a massive swathe of the US population.
     
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    Jordinho Tony Marchi Staff Member

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  5. Wilheldiva

    Wilheldiva Kevin Scott

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    i assumed most who were posting in this thread would get the reference

    i suspect biden with get the black vote again - however there is still a sizeable black republican voter base. can you really not see how offensive that quote is? biden is telling black republicans that they dont know their identity. Plenty of black americans feel that trump has done far more for them than obama - and theyre fully capable of thinking for themselves which way they want to vote. they do not need an old white man lecturing them about their identity.

    biden (probably his assistants) clearly recognised that he was massively out of line here, hence the delayed apology.

    don't forget, biden also recently labelled black's as lacking diversity of thought unlike latinos.

    hes shown on numerous occasions that he is guilty of the type of implicit racism that the dems love to champion themselves on - yet he rarely gets called up for this because the alt-left have lost any sense of reason or impartiality given the upcoming elections.
     
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  6. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry John Lacy

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    That's fair. Ironically there is a grey (gray) area!
    His target is definitely white, but if non whites had more power, they would be the target.
    That's why I don't think trump is racist in the "despises someone due to skin tone" sense. I think he is racist and prejudiced to anyone that doesn't serve a purpose for him. I genuinely think racism would require too much depth of thought or feeling.
     
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    DTA Terry Fenwick

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    I dont think racism requires any depth of thought, its the most stupid position to hold bar none.
     
  8. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry John Lacy

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    I disagree. There are lots of very intelligent racists whose position is fully thought through - their thought process and conclusion is just hideous.

    And either way (thought or no thought) it's more than trump would give - his instinct is to do anything that benefits him, irrespective of any other factors.
     
  9. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    Racism is just prejudice. Common and lazy thinking.
     
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    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    He's racist too. There are plenty of examples. Whether this is his primary motivating factor or not, it certainly is in his core.
    I would agree that what's driving him now is self-preservation - staying out of prison - and winning or stealing the election is the only way this will happen.
     
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    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    There are both types IMO. Those that know how to push the buttons, spin the message to be more palatable, and those who lap it up.
     
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    StephenH Chris Jones

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    Donald is desperate and being little unhinged makes him frightening.
     
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    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    I have this feeling Trump is going to get back in TBH
     
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    The ultimate con man.
     
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    AuroRaman Milija Aleksic

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    Me too mate
     
  17. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    The thought of it chills me to my bone. If the fallout of a 2nd Trump term was limited to the US then I guess the people have spoken (or the electoral college has) and that's what they want. You get the government you deserve.
    But in reality, the results of this election transcends US politics like nothing that has come before, and probably after. This is a major inflection point in human history. To steal a line from David Roberts - "From the perspective of the human species as a whole, the arc of its life on this planet, it may be the most important election ever".
     
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  18. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    The worst thing about a Trump 2nd term is that RBG is virtually a carcass already.

    If they get another partisan SC nomination then it won't matter who which Democrat gets elected for the next 20 years.
     
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    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    I was thinking mostly from a climate and geopolitical perspective, but yes the supreme court also factors into these environmental decisions too. Rolling back regulations, etc. The ham-fisted nature of Trump's efforts to roll back all of Obama's environmental regulations has meant lots of the attempts have been blocked or thrown out by the courts, but they'll get a doover in a 2nd term. It doesn't bear thinking about.
     
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  20. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    Is Trump a racist? I know one thing, he is a fascist!
     

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