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To Dier is To Do (Doo)

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Indeed, If you look at the pitch in horizontal layers then Tanganga is behind the line at which Fornals runs. He can't realistically take him as he would have to cross vertically past Dier. In essence no one is picking up Fornals he's a free man despite us having 4 men in the box.

    I still think Dier should have stuck with Antonio as he had him touch tight until the moment the ball was in the air. I do understand why he changed man, though If he was going to go with Fornals that decision needed to be made earlier and clearly to Tangana, for me a poor decision made from an aerial ball which seems to happen often with Dier.

    Ultimately it seems once again that our defence has no organisation and relies on individual defensive actions as opposed to a structured response to opposition. Very much the opposite of what you would expect from a Mourinho defence.
     
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  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    This
    Plush the dross out and we may see a wholesale improvement
    With people crowing about city’s amazing season under Pep they rarely if ever mention the increase in depth due to huge money spent across the whole squad. The average cost of their bench yesterday was about £35m and that includes Foden who was free
    That’s the level teams aspire to get near too, but more importantly most fob that bench would start in every other side in the league
    Our bench contains players that some think should start.... which shows how weak our starting team must be now
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    Formals is West Ham’s left sided attacking player. He is non-figuratively Tanganga’s player.
     
  4. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    I get you but he isn't coming from the left hand side so unless we are operating a man marking system then defenders pick up players as they come into their zones. Fornals never comes into Tangana's zone.

    Like you said earlier he should have been picked up by Moura or even Ndombele who was free and marking space. Then Dier doesn't leave the man in his zone who he is tough tight with at the last second giving him a free attempt at goal. Potentially when Dier did swap Tangana should have been more switched on (a genuine criticism of his play, I've noticed this happens to him at times) but still I just can't get past Dier leaving the man he had. He may be just be unlucky but it's consistent and maybe the best defenders are just lucky with their decisions playing out well. Dier's don't.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    Diamond Lights Gheorge Popescu

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    Jose hasn't learned his lessons despite time and time again providing chances to Dier.

    He's unfit to be a No1 CB for a club looking to finish anywhere in the Top 8, and we should be looking at Top 4 on an annual basis. brick.

    Put Rodon there who may make the odd mistakes but at least can learn and benefit from the experience and play a stronger role next season.
     
  7. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Interesting point. Are you sure Rodon is ready? Are you sure you are willing to accept his mistakes? Jose, Ledley and Jose's second do look at them in training.

    I don't think Dier is a top 4 CB but I am trusting the management team to pick the adequate team for the occasion given the various factors.
     
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  8. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    If Rodon is currently a worse prospect than either of Dier or Sanchez right now then it's pretty concerning that we bought him this season. You could argue he's one for the future but our present is a struggle right now.
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    I think he is either one for the future or squad rotation to allow first team players to rest.
     
  10. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Again I'd say I find it concerning he might only be considered good enough currently as a rotation option that doesn't even get used. When you look at the mistakes that the starters are making match after match it doesn't say much for Rodon's prospects.
     
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    Diamond Lights Gheorge Popescu

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    simple answer this.

    In the next 3 years, who do you expect to still be a a CB at the club out of:

    Rodon, Dier, Toby, Sanchez?

    Because it's abundantly clear it won't be Toby, and it's highly unlikely to be Sanchez or Dier. Now, Rodon is young, and yes may make mistakes, but as @Bishop pointed out, he can't be worse than what we have, and if we expect him to still be around in next 3 years compared to our other CBs then surely it makes sense to keep him on the pitch now?

    In a perfect world, if our current CBs were performing, then of course without question he wouldn't be starting. But, that's not where we are is it?
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Out of those four,

    Rodon hasn't been tested enough at this level
    Toby is too old
    Dier may still be here
    Sanchez may still be here

    A fan can't judge if Rodon is worse or better than Dier better than the management team as we don't see them in training.

    It reminds of how we were all clamouring for Parrott to be starting and then when he played, what happened - disappointment.
     
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    Caitano Dean Marney

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    The confidence of our keeper and defense has dropped dramatically. They need a run of games together.
     
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    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Lloris is gone and he has had a shocking time this season, our number one signing this summer has to be a new keeper. All keepers make mistakes but he seems to be doing nearly every game this season.
     
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    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    I don't know how to use the like button.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    That’s my issue with him
    There is no reaction from any player when we concede like it too
    They just all kinda stare blankly
     
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    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Yep we can call out our defenders as much as we like ( not saying they do not deserve it on occasions) but having a keeper behind you that you can not trust to do the right thing is not a help. And i say that as a guy who played CB for many years.
     
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    Diamond Lights Gheorge Popescu

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    I'm not suggesting Rodon has been tested at this level.

    My question is, 3 years from today, who has the best chance of being a starting CB at Tottenham? Do you seriously think Sanchez or Dier may still be options for CB 3 years from now? sheesh, maybe you're right if we're in the Championship.

    I'm not judging whether he's better or worse, but given we spent £15m to bring him in now and our current CBs are absolute tinkle then he non-figuratively cannot do worse, and will put him in good stead for the future too. Trent Alexander was starting for Liverpool at 17, if Rodon is good enough, he should start given how poor our current crop is. If he isn't good enough, why did we buy him? If he is good enough but needs more game time, why didn't he play in Cup games vs Everton or Wolfsburg? All valid questions that Jose has to own.
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    Big difference here. Rodin is 23, has lots of Championship experience and starts for Wales.
     
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