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The Cricket Thread

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Mulletperm, 14 Jan 2012.

  1. MKSpur

    MKSpur Frederic Kanoute

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    I hear that and ultimately it’s sport but I think they would have been forgiven losing with a little bit of adventure given it was the first crowd for a long time. Also the young players might have got more from the experience if they’d got a second chance to right the wrongs of their first innings failures. It is a little strange to me that we rotate teams so much now in cricket, having been so used to it in footy but if you pick a set of players for players an International you should back them to deliver within the game itself imo.
     
  2. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Pat van den Hauwe

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    It's only sport when you win, lose and someone must be blamed, just read on here. The rotation thing is bloody madness, a fad that coaches have bought into in this country, I'm all for resting players who are tired or unfit but nearly every player I've known wants to play in every game particularly when in form.
     
  3. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Surprised no mention of Ollie Robinson who has now been suspended by the ECB. Not condoning or defending what he tweeted but don’t journalists/wokesters have anything better to do than scroll through decades of old tweets until they find something offensive that can get someone fired or suspended?
     
  4. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    A second England cricketer now being investigated by the ECB for things he posted when he was under 16! Is this where we are now? Going after people for what they said when they were still doing their GCSE’s? What’s the cutoff point? What age do we give someone a pass? Primary school age? Nursery?
     
  5. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Sums up this embarassing brick show of a world we live in
     
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  6. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Pat van den Hauwe

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    All in the same week Boris and Matt Hancock get cleared of any wrong doing.
     
  7. Aldo

    Aldo Steed Malbranque

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    Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Rory Stewart, Esther McVey - all admitted they took drugs in their youth. All are/were in positions in public service, but it's laughed off with a nod and a wink, despite being illegal.

    But a bloke who throws a ball for a living is suspended from his job for tweeting when he was 18.
     
  8. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    and so it begins, absolutely pathetic !!!

    England stars Jimmy Anderson, Eoin Morgan and Jos Buttler were dragged into English cricket's social media storm on Tuesday as further unsavoury historic tweets went viral.

    On an extraordinary day on which the ECB contemplated how to manage the emergence of offensive Twitter posts by an unnamed player when he was just 15, Anderson - who will become England's most capped Test player at Edgbaston on Thursday when he appears for the 162nd time - was forced to address a homophobic jibe and the World Cup-winning leadership duo were exposed by a website in India for mocking Indian English.

    It follows the suspension of Ollie Robinson by the governing body pending an investigation into racist and sexist public utterances eight and nine years ago that came to a light a week ago today, on his Test debut

    Anderson, 38, tweeting about team-mate Stuart Broad in February 2010, wrote: 'I saw Broady's new haircut for the first time today. Not sure about it. Thought he looked like a 15 yr old lesbian!'

    Responding to it, he said: 'For me it's 10-11 years ago, I've certainly changed as a person. And I think that's the difficulty, things do change, you do make mistakes.'

    Asked whether there was now an anxiety hanging over the squad due to things that might have been said online in the past, Anderson said: 'Yeah, I guess. I think it's something we need to look at.

    'If there are any tweets from years ago we do have to look at that and again learn from this and be better in the future, try and make sure we know it's unacceptable to use these sorts of phrases and language.'

    Screen grabs of Buttler saying 'Well done on double 100 much beauty batting you are on fire sir,' to Alex Hales from August 2017, and messages from Morgan and Brendon McCullum to Buttler the following May, the former commenting 'Sir you're my favourite batsman' and McCullum adding 'Sir, you play very good Opening batting,' also came to light.

    It is understood those tweets have been deleted in recent days, although it is uncertain when Anderson's was removed.

    Two England players in Rory Burns and Dom Bess, who was bowling in the nets at Edgbaston on Tuesday after being called up as an additional member of the second Test squad following the removal of Robinson, have gone a stage further and cancelled their accounts.

    An ECB spokesperson said: 'Since we were alerted to offensive tweets last week, a number of historical social media posts by other individuals have been questioned publicly as well.

    'There is no place for discrimination in our sport, and we are committed to taking relevant and appropriate action where required.

    'Given the concerns which have been raised are clearly now broader than a single case, the ECB board will discuss how we deal with issues over historical social media material in a timely and appropriate manner.

    'Each case will be considered on an individual basis, looking at all the facts. We will assess cases with the ECB board before making further statements.'

    Robinson, who apologised privately to his team-mates and publicly, performed brilliantly on the field against New Zealand, taking seven wickets and hitting 42 with the bat, but will not play for England again until the investigation into his offensive words is concluded.

    Such restrictions do not apply to Sussex, however, meaning he could feature in the Twenty20 Blast this week.

    On Monday evening, offensive remarks made by another unnamed England player were made public by Wisden.com - although Sportsmail knows the identity of the individual but is not revealing it as he was a minor at the time he posted 'your going out with a asian' followed by three hashtags which incorporated racial slurs.

    It left the ECB, whose chief executive Tom Harrison announced a zero-tolerance response in reacting to Robinson's teenage utterances last week, to assess how to deal with an even younger perpetrator.

    They were assessing whether to reveal his identity at a time when the organisation has come under direct attack

    Within 48 hours of Robinson undermining their public commitment to tackling various forms of discrimination - the England players donned T shirts with inclusivity and diversity messages on before a ball was bowled in the first international match of the summer at Lord's - the ECB were forced to deny claims of institutional racism by former umpires John Holder and Ismail Dawood.

    Robinson has found sympathy in some quarters, most notably Westminster, but former England batsman Mark Ramprakash yesterday condemned Prime Minister Boris Johnson's support of Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden's view that the ECB had 'gone over the top' and should 'think again'.

    Ramprakash, who won 52 Test caps for England, told BBC Breakfast: 'I think it is very unwelcome. He is trying to bear undue influence in this case.

    'If I was Ollie Robinson I'm not sure I'd want Boris Johnson involved and trying to support me.'

    He added: 'I've heard people express sort of sympathy with Ollie Robinson, and say 'hasn't he shown a lot of character?', but I haven't heard enough about the victims or the people that these tweets are aimed at.

    'How do they feel? Where is the sympathy for those people? They are UK citizens, a lot of them. We live in a diverse society and we really don't want this behaviour.'

    The Professional Cricketers' Association on Tuesday said that while they monitor their members' social media comments in real time, historical checking is not carried out as a matter of course.

    A spokesman argued that education - all professionals in the UK were asked to attend online unconscious bias and discrimination classes in pre-season - was the primary focus
     
  9. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    In libel law, truth is an absolute defence.

    Would probably make sense to apply the same to the court of neo-puritans.
     
  10. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla Terry Venables

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    WTAF, is that all there is? They’ve been making it sound like a smoking gun!

    what a joke and Ramprakash should be calming things down not trying to fan the flames.
     
  11. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Frederic Kanoute

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    I think the ECB are caught here as they need to respond but first need to work out the best way to deal with these types of cases. They can’t just say ‘nothing to see here, move on’. I think most reasonable people can accept that things you do or say in younger days are not necessarily reflective of the person you become or the views you hold as you mature and that should be reflected in whatever action is taken (including no action) as long as there is no evidence of ongoing racism etc. It is however a good lesson that you might rightfully be called to account in the future for anything you say/post in public/online and youth doesn’t necessarily protect you from that.

    As an aside I do wonder whether Johnson and co would have been so quick to step in if this had been a footballer being hauled over the coals. That may just be my own biases at play but I doubt it somehow.
     
  12. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    I’m not a fan of Boris or of the tories in general but I welcome his involvement in this. I’ve been a labour voter all my life but I can’t ever see them speaking up for the likes of Ollie Robinson. That’s a big reason why people don’t vote for them IMO. They’re too politically correct and don’t stand up to the insane 10-15% on the far left (especially on Twitter) that subscribe to this nonsense and are the catalyst for these stories you read on a daily basis. I think that’s also a reason why Trump got elected. People should be held accountable for the things they do and say but there has to be some common sense applied here. Getting a time machine and digging out comments from decades ago is not productive. I honestly feel most liberals are against this type of cancel culture but a lot of them are scared to say it publically. It feels like everyone is stepping on eggshells which doesn’t move the zeitgeist forward in any way. Feels like we have gone backwards in the last 10 years because some see race/gender/sexism everywhere and anywhere.
     
  13. parklane1

    parklane1 Erik Thorstvedt

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    The world has gone mad, there are folks seeing racism under every bush.
     
  14. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Quite.

    Ironically, making a fuss about these tweets will have caused them to be seen by many more people than would ever have in the first place. That means more oxygen to the halfwits who believe stuff like that and more offence caused to those offended by them.

    The correct and simple answer to this is to contact the author, ask him to retract them and allow him to make a statement about how he held opinions as a kid that are unacceptable and that he doesn't hold them any more.
     
  15. StephenH

    StephenH Gary Stevens

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    Middlesex CC are bloody useless
     
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  16. johnola

    johnola Gudni Bergsson

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    C’mon Surrey. Not a bad start to the tournament from Will Jacks 50 in 15 balls.

    London Derby at Lords.

    Going up to the oval Monday and Friday evenings next week.
     
  17. StephenH

    StephenH Gary Stevens

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    Middlesex are a joke and it’s now turned into my favourite buttplug :mad:
     
  18. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla Terry Venables

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    Massive lack of depth, what’s happened there?
     
  19. StephenH

    StephenH Gary Stevens

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    It has been going on for years. It all feels so familiar and almost sexy.
    Great investment in the ground but not so much in the team.
     
  20. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla Terry Venables

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    I take it all back, he’s just said he’s a Spurs fan back in the Greaves days!
     
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