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Steven Bergwijn

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Daisuk, 29 Jan 2020.

  1. billyiddo

    billyiddo Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    Based on?
     
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  2. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    A lot of games next season, in a compressed first half to the season. I’d like to see some premeditated rotation of the forward players, equalise their minutes before the World Cup.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Good idea in theory and one I’m not against, but in practice it’s not that easy as 99% of our goals come from the front three and no one else and the options on the bench are a big drop off from the starters. If Conte rests them and we drop points then he knows questions would come his way.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Scoring lots of goals in an inferior league
     
  5. Yiddo

    Yiddo Johnny Morrison

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    My opinion.
     
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  6. Yiddo

    Yiddo Johnny Morrison

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    Some of the best players to ever do it started it by scoring lots of goals in inferior leagues.
     
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  7. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    And yet doing it in THE best league in the world season in season out, whilst collecting the golden boot on the way doesn’t do it for you :D
     
  8. alekaras

    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    I'm with the group that thinks we would be making a mistake selling Stevie. The only reason I can think of that he is not getting more playing time and gets subbed in in injury time, even if we're leading 3-0 since the 60th minute, is because of attitude. Not so much not training hard, but probably being upset and showing it at the lack of his playing time. I go back to that first home win against Leeds where Antonio went wild and all the players were hugging and high-fiving and then you see Stevie with a "whatever" look on his face. That might have been his "Ndombele sub vs Morecambe" moment and not particularly endeared him to Conte.

    At the same time, it's not like we had a congested fixture list requiring we rotate a lot. Pretty much a game a week in the last 5 months and the side picked itself. But even with more games, Bergwijn would still be getting more limited playing time than his talent would secure in another team. So it's probably for the best that he leaves. If he does, however, first I would look at a loan to another Prem team. If that's not an option and Ajax really want him, but don't want to pony up the fee we're asking, then just swap him with an Ajax player whose value is closer to the fee we'd want. You get Stevie and give us Gravenberch or Antony plus we'll throw in an extra 5-10 million. And, by the way, I don't understand why Ajax are such penny-pinchers. They sell tens of millions worth of players every year. I'm sure they can afford 25 million for Bergwijn.
     
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  9. alekaras

    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    Come to think of it, we should probably hold on to him until at least the Jan window. He'll get games with the fixture congestion we'll have and, if he tears it up for Holland in the WC, his value is going to rise significantly. If Conte still doesn't want him come January, we can sell him for £35+ million easily. That would be an extra £15m for us just by waiting 6 months. And even if he doesn't have a stormer of a WC, his value still isn't going to drop below £20m.

    Now that I'm thinking about it, this might be the way to go with Lo Celso too. Extend his loan to Villareal and sell him after the WC. Obviously some clauses will need to be inserted, but I'm sure Levy can work those out.
     
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  10. papaspur

    papaspur Steve Hodge

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    Maybe we drop points if our main starters are playing every single game with no rest? Or maybe they get injured from the increased stress on their bodies?
    I wouldn't advocate for a 50/50 split but maybe like 70/30 or 80/20. I expect Conte to fully utilize the 5-sub rule for next season, so even if it's not Bergwijn sharing minutes with Son, it might be Perisic.
     
  11. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    He doesn't get playing time because of a positional issue

    - He plays best on the left and through the center (where Conte actually sees him)
    - Means he's effectively competing with Son/Kane who are better than him in every way.
    - With only 3 subs, Conte typically looks at WB's/one of CM/Decki
    - Lucas gets game time because he's a switch with Decki, can play right and offers a bit of a change

    I don't see him really getting more game time, because while 5 subs will help, I just don't see him starting much games.
     
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    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Conte needs to trust his players. IMO he does not trust Bergwijn. In general. The talent is unquestioned.
     
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    metalgear Jack Jull

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    Conte sees Bergwjin in training.... JM had him on the pitch a lot and we were losing games. Scores vital goals but seems to get lost in the game from what I've seen of him.

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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    I’d like to think he would use the bench more if we had better players.
     
  15. papaspur

    papaspur Steve Hodge

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    Midfield was a bit threadbare, with Ndombele, GLC, Dele pushed out and Skipp had a big injury. I do feel bad for Winks at times but he is a fringe player so he won't get a lot of minutes even if other players need a rest.
    I get not wanting to experiment with Bergwijn at RWB or LWB. It is hard to give any judgment to players who only are given 5-minute cameos though. I do agree with metalgear though, Bergwijn did play a lot under JM and he wasn't always tearing it up but he is still 24 years old.
     
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    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    Tbf to Bergwijn, under Mourinho he was having to be a second right-back, defensive wing-back and right wing forward all at the same time...must've been exhausting tbh...
     
  17. papaspur

    papaspur Steve Hodge

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    The old Sissoko role, on top of being a midfielder :tearsofjoy:
     
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    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    Honestly, if he'd started his Spurs career under a more progressive coach i think things would have been different for him...
     
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    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    Sissoko?
     
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    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    I meant his Spurs career...if he had played in a more progressive, attacking and risk-taking system from the start i think he'd have been further along in his development (and more confident)
     

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