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Southern Rail

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Grays_1890, 15 Nov 2016.

  1. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    Great one I have heard this a lot, don't think it's really relevant but sounds fantastic

    Could just leave it as is and no strikes or go back 50 years
     
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    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Best for everyone in the long term as there won't be unions to interrupt services.

    Over the long term prices will be kept lower by automation, in the short term I expect any savings to be snapped up by greedy staff/unions.

    How about First Class carriages all have a guard so that those who want one can pay for the privilege? Removing the unreliable, human element from the system (especially as it's unionised) can only make the experience better.

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  3. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    You expect savings to be snapped up by the unions and not the shareholders, do you even believe that?
     
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    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Of course. Any hint of profits and the unions will be out on strike insisting on pay increases.

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  5. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Dimitar Berbatov

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    Could not agree more with all of that, I am not a union man, always thought they were like weeds that needed to be killed off and sadly Maggie as good as she was only cut them back, they have been allowed to regrow since then. So no guards is fine for me is not an issue, but southern have been caught with their pants down because no company should be relying on overtime to run a basic service.
     
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    Danishfurniturelover Dimitar Berbatov

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    I do not understand why if the guards have accepted the new deals why are they on strike? If it were me, well I have always had a very belligerent attitude to authority, I would just tell the unions to fcuk off. But then Corbyn and his righ hand man(busy guy) have been caught encouraging it and sending texts supporting it.
     
  7. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    Bit of a circular argument there as if strikes were effective then the guards wouldn't have left the trains.

    Also shareholders are taking profit now...
     
  8. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    Where are you reading that they have accepted it? Trying to find it and can't
     
  9. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Strikes are regular and effective enough to push up wages - you only need to look at a tube or train driver's salary vs education to see that.

    They can also be overcome though, if there's enough will and bravery to stand up to bullying.
     
  10. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    Shareholders are still getting their payout so either the unions are not as effective as you think or less greedy than you state
     
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    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    How much did GTR pay out in dividends?
     
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    Danishfurniturelover Dimitar Berbatov

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    I was driving today back from an appointment and would you believe it, I still got caught at a fcuking level crossing.
     
  13. r-u-s-x01

    r-u-s-x01 Adel Taarabt

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    Is it only gtr that are dealing with the unions, think its around 200m a year paid out to shareholders across the UK, unions not aware of that?
     
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    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Last I checked Go Ahead Group (the majority shareholder that has other successful interests) paid out something short of £40m and that was partly to cover for a massive stock dip due to union trouble. I can't find a Southern or GTR dividend anywhere.

    Investing in an industry with unionised staff is inherently risky - I refuse to do it and so do a lot of other people I discuss investments with (including those who do it for a living). If you want capital to invest, you have to be an attractive proposition - if unions fudge your valuation every few years then you'll have to pay out decent dividends.
     
  15. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    says it a lot better than I,

     
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    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    No of course he doesn't. I have it on good authority, from an impeccable source that our good old Scara was formerly a member of Militant Tendency and remains a fervent Trot. He only comes over all right wing and controversial like on here, to generate traffic. The site does belong to him after all. All profits go towards his revolutionary activities.
     
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    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    Don't you mean, scabs, sell outs and blackguards?
     
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    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    Great video. This is what the Tories are all about. Doing shonky deals with their mates in big business and doing anything and I mean anything to drive profits up. I think Marx referred to this as "an inherent contradiction in capitalism", that being, that if you keep putting consumers out of work there will ultimately be no demand. Of course Scara would say "but there will be all these new shiny emerging jobs." The problem is, capitalism is finding so many ways to get rid of workers, the new jobs cannot keep up. And Scara reckons the unions are greedy. His whole philosophy is centred on greed. It seems to only be a problem for him, when someone else wants a look in. Gotta laugh.
     
  20. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Paul Stalteri

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    Its always been the same in progression terms. It took 20 years and 100,000 men to build the pyramids, it would take a lot less time and me to do it now. It might sound like a cold thing to say but we all profit from change, I would imagine to a man on this forum we own products that have been produced by industry that has streamlined its production and staffing over the years, we don't moan when the products improve and become cheaper. Its the same with the trains for me and thats not me pulling up the ropes and saying I'm alright jack, its just life and always has been.
     
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