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Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by markysimmo, 26 May 2014.

  1. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    They announced their 3 key policies earlier:

    1) Subservience to the EU
    2) Interventionist/militaristic foreign policy
    3) Promotion of private ownership of public services

    It proper Red Tory Blairism
     
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  2. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Paul Walsh

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    Well what's your rant got to do with anything?
    Maybe instead of pretending everything is rosey in the garden and admitting that there is problems within the the labour this could have been avoided.
    Will any of them win those seats as independents, unlikely, but as some of them are well regarded local mps they may split the vote enough to let someone else in.
    In a GE Labour would probably win the seats an national issues, a by election run on local ones possibly not. Labour can't afford to lose seats, and if they can't attract centre voters because of rants like yours then they are fudged.
     
  3. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    By the UK government?


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
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  4. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    Didn't Honda move huge numbers from Mexico back to Japan too? Looks like they are scaling loads back to Japan.

    As for Ireland I blame them for leaving the UK in the first place...
     
  5. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    I presume that is a joke.
     
  6. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    Well played
     
  7. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    On the eve of Brexit, a number of companies are all just by chance pulling out of the UK? Seems odd, doesn’t it? Honda has been making cars in Swindon for 30 years. They went through worse trading times in 2009 after the financial crash. This and the other job losses have nothing to do with Brexit...pull the other one.


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  8. ShipOfTheseus

    ShipOfTheseus Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    That’s not “red Toryism” at all. The red Tories were the likes of Phillip Blond and Robert Halfon who were looking to corrall anti-elitist populism before it became mixed up with Brexit. The Tiggers, bless them, are Blairite through and through. Which is why Tony is being kept in purdah.
     
  9. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    No. They're concerned that the EU's intransigence will force the UK into putting up a border.
     
  10. Baleforce

    Baleforce Clive Allen

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    An email from Corbyn to labour members, this is why they are fudged, they have become a single issue party, beating the tories, they have no core values anymore.

    The opponent is poverty, the opponent is failing healthcare, the opponent is climate change.

    Kinnock was right.



     
  11. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Only the Northern Irish feel this way, and with some justification. And their ire is firmly focused on the UK government. The EU has offered to make NI the best place in EU to do business and that offer was rejected.
     
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  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    I know for a fact that many living in the areas just South of the border are very concerned about a possible hard border - I know that because I have family there.

    The fear is that if the EU won't budge, the UK will be forced into putting a border back. That's obviously impossible now, but in a few years if May doesn't need the DUP mentals it could be a real possibility - especially if the EU continues its current stance.
     
  13. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    I asked a question, didnt make a statement.
     
  14. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    Am I right in thinking that once Sinn Fein won the majority of seats in the 1920s they decided they wanted independance from the rest of the UK is that right?
     
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    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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  16. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    There is huge concern accross all of NI and especialy around border regions for reasons that are so obvious that they don't need to be explained. That is not being disputed. But the EU not budging as you describe it is not the way it is perceived. It is the EU/Ireland that are fighting hardest to have no hard border and it is the UK government have repeatedly shown their attitude to the Irish border question in the negotiations from day one. In fact the lack of importance they attached to it in the original withdrawal agreement is the reason why it is such a sticking point now. Couple that with the nonsence that has been coming out of ERG pie holes with regards to this and it is not hard to see why trust is eroding. However this is a border of the UK's making not the EU. The EU have already made incredible concessions on this issue already and cannot really do anything else unless they want to eject Ireland from the CU.

    As you say, if the DUP had not found themselves in the position of king maker then I dare say this issue would have been sorted long ago with NI being the CU and and UK at the same time. The DUP having their moment in the spolight but they do not represent the wishes of the NI nor even the majority of their base (farmers, etc). They are looking at their relevence and ultimate demise in the face and care not a jot for anything else.

    Even saying all that I still can't see a hard border being put in place again. In the event of a hard brexit it will trigger a border poll more than likely and the numbers show that 60% will vote for a united Ireland rather than go back to checkpoints. They will fudge it somehow.
     
  17. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    That's not what I'm hearing. I've been told that Ireland has asked the EU for assurances it will do everything it can to avoid a hard border and were told the same as the UK - "terms are on the table, go fudge yourselves". That may be fact or rumour but it's believed amongst a lot of people in that area.

    I don't share your optimism about avoiding a border. Whilst in most of the UK having no border polls favourably, I suspect it would be quite far down the list compared to economic strength and not getting BINO. Whatever the agreement in the short term, I'd imagine that there would be a GE before it expires and however that falls the DUP will almost certainly be obscure, irrelevant cranks again.

    As for your last paragraph I sort of agree. I don't see any scenario in which the EU won't force its will over others (democratically or not) in order to further it's own interests of ever greater assimilation. They fudged Ireland once, and that time they didn't even have the ability to pretend it was for their own good.
     
  18. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    The original point was that the EU was throwing Ireland under a bus and this is not the case. The EU and Ireland are perfectly in sync on this. I do have a professional interest in this space so I have my ear very close to the ground. I can't comment on any rumours (just like Poch) but the general feeling is very much that the UK government are letting down it's own people in the North.
     
  19. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    The opinions I've heard certainly aren't professional ones - these are just those of residents in that area.

    Obviously the opinion is that the UK govt doesn't give a fudge, that's expected in those parts. What they feel is that in not being more flexible, the EU is giving the UK govt every reason to put up a border.
     
  20. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    Well maybe thats the best option
     

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