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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    Isnt there a BIG caveat with the carpark story as in we only get to that point if companies dont complete the paperwork we are bringing in which take little or no time to complete?
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Yep.

    And the bit nobody is mentioning is that the paperwork is incredibly simple and takes no time at all. Any company used to exporting won't struggle at all.
     
  3. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    I was going to mention that part did not want to over play the simplicity
     
  4. Baleforce

    Baleforce Fanny Walden

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    The delays will be caused by the need for a customs agent to check the paperwork before allowing freight through right?
     
  5. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    You surely have custom agents even now though? The only change was to the paperwork no?
     
  6. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Nope, customs docs are sent ahead.

    There will be some sample checks but generally, the guidance is that as long as the vehicle matches the one referenced in the pre-approved paperwork, there won't be a delay.
     
  7. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    I don't think it will be too bad. Everything will be marginally worse, but not profoundly so. An extra day for deliveries, some disruption at the borders. A little extra cost on goods, slightly less fresh produce, and some short term pain.

    Paying for 50,000 new paper-pushers (customs agents) illustrates the inefficiency and pointlessness of it. What is the payback we get? Its not less bureaucrats, as the UK has to have all these new agents, and new posts in government now - regulators, trade negotiators, beefed-up customs, with plenty of consultants on hand of course. Scara can stop paying the minimum wage (doubtful anyway) and use toxins in manufacturing (though this is cloaked in mystery). And lest I forget we will finally feel sovereign - at last! I don't know about you but I never felt free until brexit :rolleyes:
     
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  8. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Mido

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    Has the Tory spin machine fuked up with the Australia plus blag? Absolute charlatans. Brexit is now becoming very scary. And for the all the great things that could have come from being free from the EU I can assure you these fools in charge won't bring them to us. Party of business my backside.
     
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  9. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    It'll be very bad for the first few months IMO. The truth is they are not ready. The software is not tested sufficiently, the customs agents will not be trained properly or have any experience, and even a few minutes delay per truck will mean the lorry parks (if they are ready) will be full on day one IMO. The additional paperwork is a horrendous looking list and that too will certainly cause delays until most get used to it. But as with everything the kinks will iron themselves out over time and it'll find some sort of equilibrium after that. These problems are manageable compared to the lasting economic effects. The brexit fallout stories I see passing through my inbox daily are the real and future story of Brexit and are quite scary looking. The UK need a deal, any deal as the Antarctic+ deal they are touting is nothing at all.
     
  10. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    Australia is just a way of re-packaging no deal, so it sounds better. What are 'all the great things that could have come from being free from the EU'? So far we've had using toxins in manufacturing and abolishing the minimum wage. And of course sovereignty. That wonderful feeling.
     
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  11. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    Well the UK imports a lot from outside the EU now. My company has a shipment of 3000 microphones from outside the EU clearing customs now. There is an additional day for paying duties and tariffs, but its no big deal. For 'just in time' production and fresh food it is a pain. But the UK will cope. If we were getting something back for all this - great. But there is literally nothing of value in return. At least that has been identified.
     
  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    If you sort out the duties and tariffs in advance (or use a competent agent) then there's no extra delay. We do that all the time and it's seamless.
     
  13. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Ben Thatcher

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    "Afghanistan style deal" doesn't quite carry the same weight does it?
     
  14. P.D.

    P.D. Mitchell Thomas

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    Value is subjective.
     
  15. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    It may well be. But if one can not outline value, value is quite simply a myth.
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    It is not quite that simple. First off you pay for that service. No one is going to work for free. So added cost. Then there is a physical check by customs and duty agents. You can't pay them off unless you're smuggling coke very successfully.

    Can't have it both ways, we either have a goods border with the EU and more impediments. Or we don't. It's not the end of the world but pretending there is no drawback is deluded.
     
  17. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Les Ferdinand

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  18. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    If you pay ahead by yourself there's no added cost. Agent fees are tiny and only based on the duty charged.

    Almost nothing gets physically inspected - one in thousands at most. Customs officers take random samples or have suspicious cargo flagged by their computers. They inspect a fraction of a percent of what comes through.
     
  19. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    The Tories have such contempt for us that they aren't even attempting to hide their corruption anymore.
     
  20. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    There is so much uncertainty re Covid and Brexit, it is very hard to access British exports. Friends tell me that when making inquires, all the reply they get is, we don't know when the product will be available and we have no idea re pricing either. Come back in January or February of next year and we might be able to give definitive information. They (my friends) have since gone over to and American manufacturer. The country is paralyzed and it is only going to get worse.
     

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