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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Steve Hodge

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    Good for you. Personally, I'm really thankful that I grew out of viewing politics that way, somewhere around my early 20's.
     
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  2. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    Mate we both know the intention of the original post even to just mock.

    I can take the difference of opinion the constant personal being called out for purely something you don't believe despite me saying otherwise is starting to get personal and in honesty I think best to leave the forum.

    I'm neither a racist or a bully for the record
     
  3. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    Yes, I'm sure you did.
     
  4. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Dean Austin

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    I never said you were a bully or a racist anywhere on this forum if you read my posts and I have already said that I'm sorry if I have upset you that much. Yes I was mocking you, but not attacking or accusing you of being a bully or racist I have already said as much above
     
  5. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    Fair play

    I'm going to have a cooling off period from the forum for a while anyway. Think it's for best

    Happy debating all
     
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  6. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Pedro Mendes

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    Do you work in Labour voter recruitment? :)
     
  7. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Teemu Tainio

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    I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you are back soon, buddy.
     
  8. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    Just a few days I think it's sometimes a good thing to cool off from forums for a while anyway.

    Will be back
     
  9. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Steve Carr

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    I think it's a fine line sometimes between denying someone a platform to promote their views (when those views are dangerous and discriminatory) versus allowing their views to be aired and debated. If someone has a history of inciting violence for example then I don't think they should be afforded a platform. But otherwise it is a slippery slope towards censorship, which is wrong regardless of where anyone sits on the political spectrum.
    Equally, if someone's point of view is a bigoted one, then it is right that they be called out for it (but in a constructive manner where appropriate), and that shouldn't equate to shutting down debate.

    Just picking out one part of your post - I guess there might be a lot of people who would say 'welcome to our world' in respect of government/police cover ups.
     
  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I have distilled your post to the above point, not to negate anything you said but to focus on a vitally important point you have made and which I think is essential to get right.
    I am, as has been detected, on the left of things. But equally, I am becoming increasingly horrified at how "movements" of the moment are being hijacked by extremists unwilling to discuss or compromise.

    I personally believe institutional prejudices have existed for decades and beyond. That does not mean that now there is a oaken of greater realization we should be burning everything down and not working with each other. Nothing gets solved overnight it requires teamwork and acceptance that we will not all agree on every last dot, but have enough in common to work for a better society and to recognize those who have had it worse due to past built-in prejudices.

    I could not agree more, the accelerated "cancel" culture is dangerous if only because it will put lots of people who have previously been moderate/felt moderate in the fudge you court. Most people are willing to discuss, debate and even adapt some of their ways if there is discussion. Pejorative rhetoric never helps.

    It is actually an incredible opportunity to move forward in a very progressive and inclusive way, and I agree that ALL sides must handle that opportunity properly or blow it totally.
     
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  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Here's the thing mate.
    Whatever you think go Grays, he is willing to discuss and be honest. I think it is very very valuable. I am happy Grays says what he thinks and believes, because it makes for an honest discussion, whether he is left, right, centre or whatever.
    It is always (for me anyway) most satisfying when someone whom I have not met -and who holds several different viewpoints to me- can engage in honest, open discussion. I find Grays to be that.
    I wanted to share my view on your exchanges as I think most would see you and I as being m ore aligned in overall viewpoints than many here, and thus to support further discussions between us all...
     
  12. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Added some important detail to your post there mate :D

    The only way we might stand a chance of people seeing the spray of flimflam being cast is to keep calm but be persistent IMO. How long can anyone really believe Farage (for example) is nothing other than a 2penny huxter ******** who would use his own mother as trampoline to get attention?
     
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  13. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    In fairness you're missing some brilliant wit...even though he was, apparently, a bit of an arse.
     
  14. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Hahaha, that was Primark level pot-shotting.
    You know, it IS possible to have beliefs which are inclusive of ALL in society and NOT be a separatist, selfish and unempathetic human being? I tell you the biggest irony of all here...some people moan and moan about old Labour traditionalists not realizing that the world has moved on and that their idea of Labour is a dodo in the m modern world, practically unable to be resurrected due to the globalist nature of the world. Yet those same people (largely) voted for Brexit and a seperation from the way the world is working which will ultimately not benefit anyone except for the wealthiest people in the UK. Laughable. You could not make it up.

    For the record I was absolutely a socialist Labour supporter in the '70s/'80s, did not care for the direction Bliar took things but recognize that in order to keep up with the world it was somewhat necessary and thus considered him the best option. He lost me 100%on the Iraq vote (thus why I call him Bliar) and now find that there are very few who represent views I find both salient and practical. My overall attitude has (in the last 20) years become one where inclusion and free movement is the thing which will help us survive as a race, thus the EU was a brilliant concept for me and one which we needed to remain within and work within to effect the changes and tweaks it needed.
     
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  15. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Steve Hodge

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    Not really sure what to make of this.

    I think you might have misunderstood my point. It had nothing whatsoever to do with old Labour, new Labour, futuristic Labour, or any other party specifically. It was regarding people supporting a political party - ANY political party - in the manner they would a football team, deeming them worthy of unconditional loyalty no matter what they say, do, or how far they veer from their ideals. Having voted almost all over the political spectrum in my life (something that I imagine will probably surprise you, unless I'm completely misinterpreting the intent behind your second sentence?), I don't think it's something I can be accused of. I've rarely even voted for the same party two elections running...

    What did you think I meant?
     
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  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    Is there a more polarised issue than Brexit? It is
    even more tribal than political loyalty, cutting across previously clear political lines. You seem quite wedded to it regardless of benefits or drawbacks; so one might question whether you are the logical actor who has left any tribal associations behind. Is it possible for anyone to fully?


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
  17. Baleforce

    Baleforce Fanny Walden

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  18. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    Marmite
     
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  19. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Milija Aleksic

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    Nah. There’s those that love it. And clams.
     
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  20. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    Don't tell me you are one of them? How disappointing.
     
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