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Politics, politics, politics part deux

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Cecil Poynton

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    I would be happy with any model that meant we did not have to pay a fee to be part of a trading block bar a small admin fee for stamps, envelopes and the like.

    I would be happy with any model that meant we were free to sign an agreement with other countries, and for any laws we create to be debated only in the UK not in another country. Those things would make me happy.

    I would have chosen the Canadian model myself. The financial centre that is London would be fine in the long run, fintech is blossoming in London and would do so even more out of the EU.
     
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  2. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Young-Pyo Lee

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    Or a communist!
     
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  3. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    Fair enough. Put like that it sounds ok. The devil is in the detail tho.

    Access to the worlds largest trading block of 500m people won't be as free as now, and we'll have to pay something anyway. Why would the EU give us better trade terms than their members get?

    Canada-EU trade deal does not suit the UK. Not least, most of what we do is services. That deal doesn't have any provision for services. In other words a big chunk of our economy that exports services to the EU would close down overnight.

    Fintech is blossoming. But New York and Paris are growing as fiancial hubs since the Brexit vote, and we're losing out. Is it a bad thing? Maybe not. Less tax revenue sure, but maybe London is too big, too successful? Maybe there are too many people.

    As for laws, most EU ones relate to dull trade issues. There are some on environmental issues as well. Can you name an EU law that you find so abhorrent?

    Does it matter that an exited UK would probably have more immigration from outside europe? A less white UK.
     
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  4. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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  6. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Three for starters:

    - Public sector tendering (a stitch-up that sucks all money and ability for strategic planning out of the public sector)

    - White bias immigration (immigration should be based on personal relationships, compassion and/or skills; not race)

    - Vehicle emissions laws (basing them on CO2 only, not particulates, to support (pro diesel) German and French manufactures over (pro petrol) American and Japanese ones
     
  7. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    @milo looks like the jews made you post it twice.
     
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  8. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    How does EU law do that? How would UK law be different? We'd get rid of tendering?

    Would you extend that to Scots and Irish too?

    I think there is some change in these laws to modernism them. The EU being a means to affect positive environmental change accross a continent (and beyond). How would the UK set things up in isolation to change the worlds production of cars?
     
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  9. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Yeah - just let the public sector buy what they want, from who they want, and for as long as they want. The whole competition and level playing field stuff is just a massive stitch up that creates cartels to rip off public bodies. Rules like having to re-tender for big things like IT systems every 5 years just prevents them from ever getting to a working stage, and causes massive waste.

    Yes. Immigration should be based on values. Most Scots (post-independence) will be able to claim duel citizenship anyway

    The EU lagged behind the rest of the western rules because they promoted the financial interests of their big businesses over the healt of their citizens. The UK is already ahead of the big countries on going carbon free. The UK could take a lead by say having an immediate ban on the sale of non-hybrid new cars (which is completely against EU level playing field rules).
     

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