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Nuno Espírito Santo - Sacked

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by Denmark Spur, 30 Jun 2021.

  1. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    I've got no issue with that.

    If the opposition breaks and we're not set up, or someone's out of position, I'd expect our forwards to be able to fill in the roles for the defence. Equally, if a defender is up for a corner, I'd expect them to be able to play adequately if the ball lands to them.

    Either someone's taking the opportunity to have a dig for the sake of it, or he didn't explain to the players why such a drill is important.
     
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  2. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    I genuinely assumed that was a standard part of every teams training - best way to get an advantage over your opponent is to understand your opponent.
    Best way to link with your team mates is to understand your team mates.

    But I guess the counter argument is
    ..... footballers.....
     
  3. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    Doing someone else’s job for a day is a really good learning experience.
     
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  4. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Ian Walker

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    The problem is when you allow somebody to continue doing someone else's job for several months.... Like we did with AVB :D
     
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  5. johnola

    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    That’s not framed as a question Stephen.

    And actually, my concern is that they were emboldened to ask the question at all. It’s not their place.
     
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  6. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Steve Hodge

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    definitely what @scaramanga said above. Someone throwing their toys out. Probably Winks or Dele.

    As i said before, i don't blame Nuno. He was the wrong hire which nearly the whole football world could see (except Levy and Paratici). Wish him all the best but better to realise and move on asap rather than holding on.

    More money wasted by our club on the payout, hopefully the highest paid chairman in the league takes a paycut to counter the short term losses occuring under his watch and actions?
     
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  7. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    No lack of effort from the players on Saturday (apart from the forwards being static or making clueless runs).
    So i don't REALLY think they downed tools, just that the coaching they seemed to get seemed mediocre (at least attacking-wise).
    However, playing Davies against United of all teams instead of Reguillon???

    What happened there?? Is it confirmed this story about him going boozing during the week etc?
     
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  8. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Steve Hodge

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    so, a question on Nuno which i'd like to hear from the masses on.

    He favoured a 3-5-2 at Wolves, and our team does seem well suited to such a formation (several CBs, pacy full backs who offer something in final third etc) and we were struggling to score and Kane looked off the pace, but everyone knows him and Son work well.

    So, why didn't Nuno try it? was it too defensive or was he worried how it would be perceived? Did Paratici and Levy say "none of that 3-5-2 brick".

    Obvs Conte has a bigger dingdong to swing at the club but will surely go to such a formation (or 3-4-3) so i just wondered why didn't Nuno attempt it?
     
  9. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    I suspect he worried that he didn't have the desired midfield 3 all available at the same time and was probably worried about Dier....
     
  10. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla John Lacy

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    Interesting, why do you think he was worried about Dier in a 3 and not a 2? What is it about Dier over all our other CBS that particularly stopped Nuno playing his favoured formation?
     
  11. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    I think the protection in front of him and by the side (if the LWB is bombing up and down) might have been thought to have been lacking, wheras in a back 4 and then 2 in front might have made Nuno feel more secure. Obviously one could just say why not drop Dier but i also suspect his multilingual skills for how Nuno wantd to build our defence made him undroppable...
     
  12. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Steve Hodge

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    i mean Dier is garbage (Romero stepped up to play Cavani off, who kept him onside...?)

    But anyway, back to the main issue at hand, what stopped Nuno ever playing his preferred style at Tottenham that the next manager is likely to immediately introduce? Cant just be Eric Dier as a CB?
     
  13. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Christian Ziege

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    Based on what?
    Stop throwing around flimflam at our players.

    Everyone knows this stuff leaks from the hundreds of staff we have around the training ground.
     
  14. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    As i said, imo not trusting that he had the right midfied and the combination of the risks of playing Dier
     
  15. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    He played a different system at Valencia too
    Some Coaches aren’t wedded to one system and some are
     
  16. DubSpur

    DubSpur Tim Sherwood

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    He played Dier in a two when he has other options, so I doubt very much that he has anything to do with the reason. Also, he's been playing well this season.
     
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  17. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Michael Carrick

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    I’m quite curious about this too. Maybe he thought he didn’t have the authority with the players to try such a change? Weird though as our squad seems more suited to it. We just didn’t seem able to create chances in the 4-2-3-1.
     
  18. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    Not sure if this has been asked but did any of the players acknowledge him or thank him on social media? If not, what a classless lot.

    I know he failed but by all accounts he's a nice and genuine guy who did his best, had to deal with a lot not of his own making and was just the wrong man in the wrong place.
     
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  19. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Walsh

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    Tbf, it was also rumoured that he was very distant and not very communicative.
    Also, it's pointless getting into social media thanks etc when they are ultimately the reason he's gone after only 10 league games.
    It's a different thing if, say, Nuno had been here many years with them like say Poch.

    They'd be damned if they did anyway ("why didn't you put in similar effort on the picth" etc would be a typical response from some..)

    Dignified silence is often best imo
     
  20. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    Fair points. Personally, I think they could have at least wished the guy good luck for the future. While he was apparently distant, he was reasonably well liked and nowhere near as unpopular as Jose. And some of them, or Kane anyway, were quick to acknowledge him.
     

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