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Moussa Sissoko

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Aug 2016.

  1. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    Something else that seems to get over looked by the cult is that while he has been a regular starter in our midfield we have gone through our worst periods of results in 5 years, yes we got to the UCL final but that was mainly thanks to Moura (who seems to get unfairly slated on here) and we all know what happen in that.
    In fact just consider what the reaction would have been if it had been Foyth, Tripper, KWP, Mura or Aurier that had given away that stupid penalty, but its ok cause he tries really, really hard and he can run really, really fast and he has scored 2 goals in 4(?) years.
     
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    StephenH Chris Jones

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    He is wonderful IMHO because goes out and does his best 'for my team' every game.
    He's no Andrea Pirlo but it matters not, he one thing that matters, he 'tries' his heart out every game for us and that is true gold dust.
    I love the guy!
     
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  3. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    I think he has 4, maybe 5 all in for us.

    When he scored against Bournemouth the commentator said he had 1 in his prior 95.

    Shows what a freak this week has been for him. Either that or Jose really is the second coming...
     
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    mudshark Mitchell Thomas

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  5. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Nayim

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    More goals from open play than Arseanals record £72m signing, Pepe.
     
  6. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    Who is in his first year in the EPL, blah, blah, blah... (and I can't believe you made me google an arsewipe player, that's just below the belt)

    Surely a better comparison would be some one like Walcott, they both can run very fast, both have similar footballing brains, both have scored the same number of goals this year and both can't play the CM role ;)
     
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    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I think with this system, and him playing narrower but through the channels on the counter, everything is primed for him to work?!
     
  8. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    I'd suggest "get the most out of him" rather than "work"
     
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  9. Maltese Falcon

    Maltese Falcon Niko Kranjcar

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    Players get criticised when they play badly; that's what fora are for. But Sissoko is the only player I see who gets criticised when he plays well. Even his two excellent goals were belittled by the haters. That this vitriol always comes from the same usual suspects makes their agenda so obvious.

    I seem to have missed any posts on those threads from you saying that though. Unless I have missed them, would that not be a helping of double standards.


    If the usual suspects just came out and said that they simply hate Sissoko and nothing he can ever do will change their attitude, I would have no major problem with that. I would simply treat them in the same way I look at flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers. What is pathetic are the attempts to disguise the obvious Sissoko campaign in pseudo tactical flimflam and followed by self-righteous affront when they are called out...
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Just because it's beyond your comprehension, it doesn't make it wrong.
     
  11. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    I don't hate Sissoko, I don't think anyone on here does, I just don't think he is good enough for this team and how it has been setup to play. I have no agenda, I am not part of any campaign and I'm not even sure what the aim of any campaign would be, its not like a few posters on here are going to be enough to drive him out of the club it is?

    For me even when he put in a Sissoko 7/10 performance its only equivalent to a Dele 4/10, I see that much of a gulf in capability, you maybe see them equal, I just don't.
     
  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    That's the way all of us who are continually disappointed by Sissoko feel. It's not about hate, just about him being a bit brick.
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Look at it this way. I love Steffen Freund as much as the next man - I wouldn't want him in our team for a second.
     
  14. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Nayim

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    What would be the fun in that?
     
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    braineclipse Chris Jones

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    Fair enough if that's the way you read my initial post. I'm sure my post can be read as rather aggressive, though if you look back I think you can see that your often reply isn't necessarily only read as serene. For my part in needlessly escalating what has long been a rather circular and fruitless discussion I apologize, I should have just scrolled past.

    I'm delighted when players prove me wrong by outperforming my expectations. We've all had the opposite happen, I find that much more painful. I suppose we disagree on the extent that Sissoko has proven me wrong, but I have been clear in the past that he has proven me wrong.

    We'll see what the future brings, I'm certainly happier with the way he's been used under Mourinho than under Pochettino. Ro the extent he continues to outperform the competition and be better suited for the needs of the team he will be in the team.
     
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  16. Bishop

    Bishop Ronnie Rosenthal

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    No one hates Sissoko, we just don't think he's any good.

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  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    No no no. You have an agenda. And a deep personal hatred of the player. And youre also biased, and blind, and unwilling to accept that once in a while he does something good.

    Its an entirely personal, emotive and irrational thing.

    You have clearly painted yourself into a corner, and will not admit to your poor judgement now through blind stubbornness.

    Its more important to try and win the internet than admit fallibility.


    Or, you know, maybe you just dont think he is a good footballer?
     
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    Maltese Falcon Niko Kranjcar

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    Never said you hated him as a person.

    You just hate the fact that he has made you and your criticisms of him and his ineffectiveness look frankly pathetic.

    But whatever... just like the flat-earthers, if it makes you happy....
     
  19. Bishop

    Bishop Ronnie Rosenthal

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    I don't hate that at all because I dont bloody agree that he made my opinion of him invalid.

    He still passes like he's wearing lead boots, he stills steps on the ball when he tries to control it. He's still trash as a CM.

    Now your standard may be lower than mine and others who dont rate him and that's fine. Your expectations of what a competent footballers looks like is different to my own, no problem. So we will have to agree to disagree on what an acceptable standard is.

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  20. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    It has taken just three weeks with Jose Mourinho for Moussa Sissoko to go from one of the worst finishers in the Premier League to a genuine goal-threat.

    Sissoko scored for the second time in three matches in Tottenham's 5-0 win over Burnley on Saturday, following up from his acrobatic finish against Bournemouth a week earlier and prompting chants of, "He scores when he wants," from the home fans.

    Before the Cherries, he had gone 69 Premier League matches – a period spanning the entirety of last season – without scoring, or even coming close.

    "[Mourinho] has given belief to everyone," Sissoko told Standard Sport, when asked what has changed. "Everyone knows we were in a difficult situation and the confidence was very low, so he tried to speak to everyone, to give everyone confidence, to be close to everyone.

    "He knows I'm a player who likes to go box-to-box. I can score a few goals every year, so he said to me to just play my game, to go forward when I can and see if I can score. I scored because I was in the box. Maybe in the past I was deeper and didn't try. Hopefully I can score a few more goals."

    While Sissoko is benefitting from Mourinho's management, the Frenchman does not entirely see eye-to-eye with his new manager when it comes to his best position. In the wake of defeat at Manchester United, Mourinho was adamant that Sissoko is best in the attacking three behind Harry Kane, rather than as one of his two deeper midfielders.

    "I don’t think he’s a midfield player in a core position, No6 or a double 6. I think the best position for Moussa is when the team plays with a positional midfielder and he has freedom to go, or from the right like he did against Bournemouth," Mourinho said.

    While happy to play anywhere, Sissoko feels happiest centrally. "I haven't spoken to him about [my position] but I saw [what he said]," he said. "He's the manager, so if he says to me to play as a No6 or at the front or on the right side, I will do my best. I know I'm capable to play every role. At the end [against Burnley], I even played right-back. But to be in the middle of the pitch is my best position. If it's No6, No8, No10, it doesn't matter, but I like to be in the centre. For the team I will do everything the manager asks me."

    Wherever he has played, Sissoko has been short of opportunities to link-up with his France teammate Tanguy Ndombele, who has been hampered by fitness problems in a mixed start to life in England. Ndombele, 22, who joined Spurs for a club-record £65million in July, has blown hot and cold at Spurs and he will miss Wednesday's Champions League dead-rubber against Bayern Munich with a groin strain.

    Sissoko is all too aware of the difficulties of settling in England, and specifically at a club like Spurs, and has no doubt his friend will come good soon.

    "It's never easy to perform straight away, especially for him because he's so young," Sissoko said. "He needs to understand a lot of things. It's a big change compared to France and he needs time. I'm not going to compare him with myself because I was at Newcastle. But when I came to Tottenham, it was difficult. But I kept trying to give my best, to train well until I could perform. It took a few times for me to perform but in the end I did it. It will be the same for him. We know he has a lot of quality. He already showed it in a few games. He will improve week-by-week and I'm sure he will bring a lot for this club.

    "I told him that. I speak with him every day. In the changing room he's sitting next to me. I'm always with him, and trying to help him. I know it's important to have someone close to you because his English as well is not good yet, so he needs someone close to him who can help him with everything. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm not worried. I know he will perform, do well and everyone will talk about him soon."

    • I think its interesting his inference that Mourinho has changed how he is playing. If Pochettino was telling Sissoko not to attack, its not like he was listening anyway...
    • I absolutely disagree with him regarding position, I wouldnt have him central unless there was absolutely not other choice (I think Mourinhos judgement was spot on)
    • I think its quite wonderful how he is taking care of NDombele, it shows great character and maturity on his part - and could well be the best work he does for the club.
    Am I allowed to be bother negative and positive about him? Or do I have to pick a side?
     
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