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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by DubaiSpur, 27 May 2014.

  1. indianspur

    indianspur Guest

    Agree. The 60 mill spent on Sissoko, Janssen and GKN last summer hasn't improved the bench at all.
     
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  2. metalgear

    metalgear Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Tottenham showed a "lack of desire" to win the Premier League with their first-half display in the 2-0 loss at Liverpool, says manager Mauricio Pochettino.
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38946148

    poor on poch to blame it on the team.
    poor tactics in my opinion. our success comes from speed down the wings so ben davies cannot be the answer in a high line against liverpool
     
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    afsoc4life Jonathan Woodgate

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    I agree with Pochettino on the Liverpool game. However he needs to drop those players for a while.
     
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    afsoc4life Jonathan Woodgate

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    Me thinks you overrate the quality of the Spurs squad.
     
  5. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Jimmy Neighbour

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    The players deserve 400% of the blame for that result.

    Looked like scared children when Mane was running riot, Davies and Dier in particular.. But no one was up for it.

    By the time we got any kind of forward momentum going it was too late in the day.

    I feel like we rolled up expecting Liverpool to be brick. Eriksen, Dembele and Alli were all particularly poor.
     
  6. metalgear

    metalgear Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    we would have done better with a deep defence line to nullify Mane's speed.
    its hard to be attacking when you know that half the defence is makeshift and has no speed to counter mane.
     
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    Eriktheviking Sebastien Bassong

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    excellent post.
     
  8. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Would agree with that, two of the reasons we got handed our arse yesterday are (a) Liverpool are not as bad as some Spurs fans try/suggest they are (b) Spurs ( us) are not as good as some of ( usually I think that I am a better football fan than the rest of you) think we are.

    We are still growing as a team and we have a way to go to become the finished articule, I think that I am a better football fan than the rest of you will not like to hear that but ( imo) its the reality of the situation.
     
  9. Libero

    Libero Jose Dominguez

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    I am sure he didn't ask them to go out there and play like they did in the first half but for me, at this stage of the season, against a top 4 competitor away from home, we should be going there and saying basically for the first 30 min's, no mistakes or sloppy play to put you under pressure, none of this insistence on playing out every single time when you are under pressure and just don't give the home side any reason to get their tails up. Exactly the same for the first 15-20 min's of the second half too. It gives you a solid base to work from and will quieten down the crowd.

    I am sure that the players are experienced enough and smart enough football wise to know that and I would hope that Pochettino will have said just that to them prior to the game and that it was an aberration but the side keep trying to play out when under severe pressure and that must come from the manager. All for philosophy and all that jazz but there is a time and a place and only a fool would insist on continuing with a specific detail even when it is apparent that it is causing you problems.

    His tactics at times away from just need to be cuter. He was handicapped by no Rose but that shouldn't mean the left hand side becomes a complete shambles. Going 3 at the back actually might have helped yesterday, even before the first goal.
     
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  10. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    http://spielverlagerung.com/2017/02/12/mane-inspired-reds-in-transition-focused-victory/

    Spielverlagerung agrees with you, more or less. Criticizes our desire to constantly play out even when it quickly became evident that Liverpool were dominating our hapless lads in transition areas and in half-spaces when they received the ball. I don't particularly agree that going long would have done much either given that we were utterly outmuscled and outplayed everwhere even when the ball was sent long - I *Do* think that perhaps sitting deep and abjuring any possession of the ball *at all* for the first 20-25 minutes would have radically changed the outcome of the game, since Liverpool wouldn't have gotten the boost they got from seeing how easy it was to press and win the ball, and we'd draw their sting prior to (hopefully) expanding our own efforts.
     
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  11. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Christian Ziege

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    I think we should have gone long, because a) we kept losing the ball playing out, and b) Liverpool's defence is their weak point. Janssen/Kane knocking down balls for Kane, Dele and Eriksen couldn't have been worse than what we produced.
     
  12. Bullet

    Bullet Jack Jull

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    I'd back Kane and Alli versus Matip and that short-ars.e Lucas Leiva. At least give them a chance to try it.
     
  13. Libero

    Libero Jose Dominguez

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    I don't necessarily advocate us playing long but for 10-15 min's I would have said let's get their full backs turned and facing their own goal and try to win the ball slightly higher up the pitch from the second/third ball as opposed to starting with possession in our own third and never managing to hold onto it long enough to enter the midfield with any meaningful possession. Whether I would have started with that in mind is very debateable but after the first 5 min's or so the warning signs were there.

    To me that is just smart analysis of the game as it is in flux and managing the match through its troubling moments. Doesn't mean that you sacrifice the overall philosophy but more that you adapt until you find an equal footing or infact get on top. And I agree we should have started deeper and been quite compact initially so as to frustrate Liverpool and prevent them having any real space in behind just as others have done. Had we started like that then I would doubt very much that we would have had that 10 min's of consistent pressure that saw us lose 2 goals in 4 min's where we looked overloaded and unable to cope with the movement in behind and in between the lines. I also feel that the way Liverpool press is quite easy to overcome if you are prepared to all play in the manner that I have suggested. If you go long and by pass the press you can essentially make the game a 5 v 5 in their half off the second/third ball and play your style from there but everybody has to be switched on to that way of playing and be 'on it' from the very first whistle.
     
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  14. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Perry

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    It was also exactly the same in the Emirates Marketing Project away game a few weeks back. Sometimes you have to forget your principles and change the way you play to win the game.
     
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    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    Agreed. We needed quicker passing, more incisive passing and I maintain it was a game for Winks.


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
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  16. tynesidespur

    tynesidespur Espen Baardsen

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    I don't necessarily agree that we had to change tactics/philosophy in its entirety.
    A slight/subtle alteration to shape would've shut Liverpool out. They had clearly targeted our left and were concentrating over 50% of their play down that side in the 1st half. Mane had the run on Davies and was getting no support. Why not shift/align the team more to the left side and block that area of the pitch up? Go to a more lop-sided 4-3-3 shape with Dembele in a deep left-midfield position, Wanayama deep in the centre with Eriksen alongside so you've lost no numerical advantage in central midfield. Leave Son higher up pressing the back 4 with Kane and Alli. Effectively concede the right side of the pitch but be confident that Walker could out-run Coutinho in a foot race.

    A lot of the balls to Mane were along the ground. You have 3 ways to stop a threat - at source, in transit or at the point of impact. Davies couldn't stop at impact point (only Rose at best could do that), we weren't pressing well enough to cut out at source so that leaves blocking the transit - i.e. block up the passing lanes. By moving the team over to that left side it would force Liverpool to play balls over the top to Mane - much harder to do than along the ground which would be no longer available with Dembele in the way.

    It seemed a pretty simple solution to me. I think Poch did something along those lines later in the game. Unfortunately the damage was already done. He needed to react much quicker probably after the 1st goal given we'd already conceded multiple chances at that stage.
     
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    Bullet Jack Jull

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    Exactly. Play the wonky. Play to the situation, don't just doggedly stick with gameplan A.
     
  18. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Fair. We actually agree on most things - where we disagree is on the likelihood of us being 'switched on' enough to warrant playing long from the start. I don't think we start games 'switched on' that often, *especially away*. Thus, I'd actually argue for abandoning any attempts at getting forward entirely for for the first twenty-odd minutes, to minimize the risk of getting caught out as we were on the weekend. Fine margins, though.
     
  19. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Steffen Freund

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    Mauricio Pochettino and his Tottenham players must change their record in big matches, says @Carra23: skysports.tv/rtoaOH
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    And looking back at last season's interlopers, we also fared poorly in the "six pointers"

    2015/16 v Leicester
    Arsenal: W2-1 W5-2 Pts6
    Liverpool:
    W1-0 L0-2 Pts3
    ManU:
    D1-1 D1-1 Pts2
    Chelsea:
    D1-1 L1-2 Pts1
    Spurs: L0-1 D1-1 Pts1
    Emirates Marketing Project:
    L1-3 D0-0 Pts1
     
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  20. Raziel

    Raziel Chris Perry

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    @SteveAWOL , depends on what your objectives are ...

    The Scum have made their 4th place trophy religiously by spanking brick sides and failing in big games, math is 12-14 mediocre to poor sides, 5 decent sides. Beating the bottom 14 sides 2X could net you 84 points and CL, even if you roll over against everyone else in top 6.

    If we were truly challenging, it makes a difference, at this stage, its just something to work on.
     

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