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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by DubaiSpur, 27 May 2014.

  1. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Whilst this is speculative tattle-talking, I wonder if Poch might've had some stuff going on in his personal life? Remember the jokes about how he basically disregarded the missus on her birthday a while back? I wonder if the pressure, hours and stress took their toll on his home? It would explain his demeanor the last few months? Admittedly this is speculative and not especially worth anything, but thought I'd put it out there...
     
  2. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    The thing I can remember in AVBs fair is that he isn't sherwood.
     
  3. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    either way, I don’t think revisionism is a fair summation of my opinions on AVB or our two title challenges under Poch
     
  4. Moby

    Moby Steffen Iversen

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    The sadness in his eyes....

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  5. braineclipse

    braineclipse Gary Stevens

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    The Athletic have been putting out new podcasts as if they're becoming illegal to start in a few months.

    Have listened to the first episodes of Zonal Marking, The View From The Lane and The Ornstein and Chapman Podcast. Think they've been good, will give all a further listen to check them out.

    Think the reporting there has been significantly better on Pochettino, Levy and Mourinho than much of what I've heard and seen. If what they're describing is true I definitely think it was time for Pochettino to leave. Could be confirmation bias that I like their take on things as I was getting to that point myself before the saying sacking.
     
  6. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Michael Carrick

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    yeah. I think the new Poch is gonna be interesting, if he wants to join the cycle of Managers that go around the top 10 clubs in Europe, he’ll have to almost abandon his desire to build, to win a different way, and access different parts of his talents. Focus on winning, because no matter how much loyalty you show to a club, they’ll sack you as soon as they need to.
     
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  7. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    As you are aware, you and I often clashed over Poch. You were eternally optimistic ( for which I have a lot of admiration) but were also sometimes blind to Poch's flaws ( I think I called you a cultist at one point - for which, apologies. However, much as I liked the man and really wanted him to succeed with us, I recognised he had some unfortunate underlying flaws. It even occurred to me he was a good go-cart driver being given a formula one car to drive. We undoubtedly had the best team in the PL for two seasons but he couldn't capitalise on that to win trophies.

    Now is not the time to re-open those discussions.

    In my opinion, he hugely "lucked out" with the team he largely inherited - with his only significant additions being Wanyama and Toby ( both of whom he had worked with before) and Son. From what I understand, Dele was a Pleat buy. In the final analysis, 26 players came in under his regime and only very,p very few were successes. I firmly believe that Levy no longer trusted him on the transfer front and wanted to reserve our budget for a new coach to bring in his own players. In addition, I now understand that there was indeed discontent in the dressing room with Poch being a disengaged figure. On that basis, Levy had to act.

    Anyway, I like Poch as a man and really hopes he makes a success of coaching elsewhere ( preferably not with one of our rivals!) I would also thank him for all he has done for Spurs and the ride he gave us. I will follow his career with interest but personally think he is too nice ( and too weird) to succeed at the highest level. So thanks Poch and good luck. I hope you take a break to recharge your batteries before jumping back on the horse. You will always be affectionately remembered by all Spurs fans no matter what the future holds.

    Now is the time to all come together and hope José can take us to the promised land. He has made a promising start both on and off the field.
     
  8. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Agree to an extent. I think he will need to be a little more pragmatic. Have a couple of skilled and experienced winners in the squad to bring it all through. I always felt it was an achilles heel of his, and yes, I am about to bang my little Dani Alves drum again for the 10th time LOL; I just think a player like that can do wonders but you have to be able to manage them. His next version will be fascinating to watch. I wish him nothing but the very best.
     
  9. braineclipse

    braineclipse Gary Stevens

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    He wasn't sacked because he didn't win anything. He was sacked because of our atrocious league form that lasted for about ten months and showed no signs of improving. Speculative there were also faltering relationships behind the scenes. Perhaps also that Pochettino himself was past some point of no return in this particular job.

    He did fantastic things for the club, for many of the players and for us as fans. He should always be remembered for that. The end was what it was. We'll probably never truly know how much of the blame for that would rightly lie with the different people involved. I don't think Pochettino was blameless, but can't prove that. I wouldn't demand him to be to appreciate what he's done for us.

    His future career will be interesting to follow. We were a great fit for him, if he can find anything close to that I'm sure he'll have success again. If his next job is one with very different circumstances I would be less confident, but at the same time entirely unsurprised if he succeeded.
     
  10. Denmark Spur

    Denmark Spur Vedran Corluka

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    Should be a short phone conversation...

     
  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Great post mate, apologies accepted and indeed I am sure I owe you an apology too.

    I think I definitely went into bunker mentality. I recognised faults, and did level a few criticisms, but as the noise got louder I did absolutely double down, so guilty. I still feel we have sacrificed the beauty of organic build for the immediacy of instant results, but as I said elsewhere, this is modern football and I cannot remain naive regardless of my emotional investment in “purity”.

    Funny you bring up the driving analogy, as my take is that Poch built this beautiful machine and Mourinho is the driver skilled to take it over the line!

    Again, great post and with all the emotions of previous months now through, I agree, onwards and upwards!!!
     
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  12. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Top reply mate. We all have the best interests of Spurs at heart.

    As you say, onwards and upwards.
     
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  13. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Nick Barmby

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    Classy from the two of you there, great to read.
     
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  14. Sandman

    Sandman Young-Pyo Lee

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    For once Online chat breaks out of the mainstream and people are nice to each other. Good to see.
     
  15. parklane1

    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Get a room ;)
     
  16. Maltese Falcon

    Maltese Falcon Niko Kranjcar

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    The thing with Poch was that he felt he was "one of our own". Sort of like an Academy player breaking into the first team and doing well. When that happens it is natural to highlight the positives and gloss off the negatives. And boy, were there positives! The best coach since ?? Burkinshaw - and even with Keith we were always a cup team and never able to challenge in what was a more competitive league without the oil money of nowadays!

    But he did have flaws especially in terms of tactics (Son at left back in that semi final still gives me nightmares), his "my way or the highway" and above all his coterie of favourites who played no matter what (we were warned about this from Southampton players). Above all, I'm sorry to say, he will be the "almost there" coach for me... so close and yet so far.

    I suspect Germany or Spain will be his next port of call and will be extremely interesting to see how he does at a Bayern or Atletico...
     
  17. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Paul Robinson

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    I thought Poch was great for Spurs, but I wonder how this thread would look if he decided to sign for the Goons. Let's face it after being sacked all bets are off just ask Jose who vowed never to manage Us.
     
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  18. Craig_J

    Craig_J Gudni Bergsson

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    Has that actually appeared somewhere at any point? I thought that he was keen in 07 before Ramos replaces Jol because Jose has to high a clause with Chelsea not to manage in England
     
  19. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    So best team in the country for two seasons, by what measure?
    Were we ever at the top of the table?
    Was it the cups we won?
    And with a team he inherited, so why did sherwood or AVB not get us up the table?
     
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  20. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Paul Robinson

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    He said so himself during his first Spurs press conference
     
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