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Jose Mourinho

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by mjc23, 20 Nov 2019.

  1. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    we have spent £60m on Ndom, £40m on Lo Celso, £30m on Bergwein and also on Sessegnon and £10m on Clarke
    That’s spending and investment
    In effect since we moved into the goring we have spent what is generally mega money
     
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  2. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    How much of that is targeted onwhat we need though?
    This is why i use the term "winging it" because a lot feels like opportunism.
    Where is the defensive midfielder (needed since summer 2018)?
    Where is the number 9 who can rotate with Kane (needed since like forever)?
    Where is the physical dominant centre back (needed since Toby has been on the wane and Foyth has shown he's not quite that)?
    Where is the left-side CB to replace Verts (and Wimmer) (needed since since, well Wimmer left)?
    And time spent on getting and then loaning out Clarke could have been spent buying one on the above last summer - it seems even Poch didn't want him..and why did we buy Gedson AND NOT also buy a defensive midfielder?
    Ndombele and Lo Celso - good buys, but again too little, too late.
     
  3. gungy

    gungy Stephane Dalmat

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    whats worrying me is that he keeps droning on about in summer that he will have all these players back - that means his gona go again with the same personnel next season with probably the odd late signing that levy will conjure up
     
  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    but these were the signings the manager wanted. Their the guys in charge and see the team every day so their accountable too
     
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  5. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Managers are indeed accountable...but do you honestly think what we got Jose in January (i.e. NOT a number 9 with Kane injured and NO defensive midfielder) was what he wanted?
     
  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Yep I do
    I’m convinced he thought son would be fine and do the job as expected
    He also thought their would be other priorities
     
  7. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    I'll also re-emphasize that we are going to stick with Mourinho for a while, unless he walks himself.

    Literally no other option at this point.

    • He earns 15m a year, making sacking him prohibitively expensive - biggest factor in Levy's mind.
    • Once you bow to player power, you're done for. Players got Poch sacked - if they also see off Mourinho, we are going to be stuck in a negative spiral where these sorry fudges will dictate what happens at the club until we grow a spine and back a manager over them.
    • The Spurs 'brand' is already in decline, threatening Levy's dreams of commercial success - if you sack the first or second most successful coach in European football over the last twenty-odd years, that death spiral will only intensify.
    • If Mourinho can't win something with us, nothing and nobody ever will. We will become the English Neverkusen, if we aren't already.
    • The guy hasn't really had a fair shot. He's been dreadfully unlucky, and the players are constantly letting him down with individual errors.
    • No one out there who will take the job and guarantee anything different.
    We're stuck with him until we hit the relegation zone - so we might as well learn to live with it and give him what he wants to correct this car crash of a season next year.
     
  8. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Paul Robinson

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    Jonathan Liew is a prick. The Guardian has got some seriously brick sports writers at the moment.
     
  9. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Dean Austin

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    Your second last point is the main one for me. I'm seriously tinkled off right now with the manner of the defeats as much as the results and José's press conferences aren't helping me. But he's managing someone else's squad and without a number of key players. And it's a squad that was playing badly for about a year before he joined. He's entitled to a summer and next season. Getting rid now would be brainless. I just hope we make a decent fist of the rest of the season because a run of more defeats could really turn the situation toxic and perhaps make his position untenable. I don't expect that but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
     
  10. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Really? You must have missed him bemoaning our lack of strikers after Kane was injured and BEFORE Son was also injured..
     
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    DeanoAustin Dean Austin

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    It's a shame Eric Dier doesnt do press conferences.
     
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  12. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    I think it's quite possible that he will walk; it's clear he wont get the money that someone like him is used to and if he lets his 'rep' slide any further than it has, he'll end up being the modern George Graham (if he hasn't already).
    He's got a semblance of a ready-made excuse at is (re our January dealings and not bringing in a striker or defensive midfielder)
     
  13. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Don't be surprised if there is a 'break clause' in there based on league form once he took over, where we finish etc.
    Remember he was as much in need of taking the job as we were hiring him after the decision to sack Poch.
    And the January window dealings plus Levy's public utterances show that ENIC wont change their model for anyone, including someone as decorated (even if not as good these days coaching wise) as Jose.

    Edit - so it's actually quite plausible that he will walk as he probably knows he'll have to operate under conditions he's not used to (anymore)
     
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  14. spurs' magna carter

    spurs' magna carter Sebastien Bassong

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    Brilliant post.

    I am a big fan of Mourinho and have wanted him at the club ever since his first press conference in West London back in 2004. There's no doubt that he isn't without his faults, both on and off the pitch, however, to blame him for this is nothing short of embarrassing. We didn't sign the right players in 2016, we then lost a key squad member (Kyle Walker) without seeing any improvement to the squad in 2017 and then didn't sign anyone whatsoever in 2018. Despite the difficulties in signing a prefered target in this day and age, it is evident that most of the blame lies at the top. And then to compound all of that we have the most ridiculous injury situation imaginable. After Villa away we'd picked up 26 points out of 42, not bad, since then we've been completely depleted. And then before all that, we'd won 6 games in 24, our worst run since in 10 years, with performances matching the awfulness which was witnessed in 2008, resulting in Poch getting the sack. So for players to be somewhat over looked is very surprising indeed.

    When it comes to the Poch vs Mourinho argument, I say this to both sides, you're wrong. They're both the right managers, it's just that they have been stuck with the wrong players and insufficient squad capacity with a hierarchy that simply can't deliver the right players at the right time, due to a combination of frugality and insufficient attempts in recruitment with a near empty trophy cabinet.

    There's no doubt that Levy is a good chairman and shouldn't be treated like the many con men who taken the healm at other clubs. But is he ,and ENIC for that matter, capable of taking Spurs to the final step?
     
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  15. Hashegotthesackyet?

    Hashegotthesackyet? Goran Bunjevcevic

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    We need a cryptic/ weird quote from Jose aimed at Levy and the transfer policy. Nothing about Omelettes but maybe along the lines of Marks & Spencer’s and Tesco Blue stripe mince.
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Jack Jull

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    I think Poch is a better manager in the face of adversity. Able to raise squad players' performances and able to fight. Mourinho's whole approach when Son got injured was defeatest. His tatics with 5 at the back, what he said in the media and the tone he set. Not Mourinho's fault, but 5 at the back with 2 in midfield was his setup, and we have not played that system well. That is on Mourinho.

    He's not a crap manager overnight. We will rebuild now.
     
  17. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Depends on how you define that "final step"; if it's footballing success AND trophies, almost certainly not
     
  18. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    no I I think he saw the options and thought they weren’t good enough and made a call
    It’s what he is paid to do
     
  19. spurs' magna carter

    spurs' magna carter Sebastien Bassong

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    More like ASDA Smart Price.
     
  20. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Exactly; he saw what ENIC were prepared to do (or not)...hence he's been a negative moaner ever since. Like he has at his previous clubs.
    Of course a manager is paid to make such a call. Like he was at United, Chelsea etc...he caused a stink there and he got FAR more backing than we give to our managers (or have given to him so far...)
     

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