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Harry Winks

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by elltrev, 27 Jul 2016.

  1. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    I personally think Everton have some decent players. I don't think he'd join them, but Poch would be a great manager for them at the moment from their point of view. (Limited budget, young players etc).
     
  2. MKSpur

    MKSpur Johnny Morrison

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    Wondered if he saw it as a step down then remembered it's been a recent stepping stone to Barca and Real !
     
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    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    I wouldn’t say Everton is a step down. Their time will come again. They have a massive history.

    If I was a professional footballer I’d be proud to play for them.
     
  4. Yiddo

    Yiddo Johnny Morrison

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    £50m for Bergjwin and Winks is not bad business at all.
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Going to be a bumpy ride the next couple of years. Usminov under sanctions, trying to build the stadium at a time of massive inflation. While having a terrible team.
     
  6. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    Imaginary business is often good business, however it's not often what actually transpires.

    Hard enough work getting Ajax anywhere near 25m for Stevey according to reports, even Everton aren't dumb enough (or aren't able) to spend that kind of money on Winks anymore.
     
  7. Gazza

    Gazza Michael Carrick

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    however the age of a good swap deal and cash is upon us I tell thee….

    Bergwijn plus cash for their Italian left sided defender (Romeros mate) or Antony


    Winks plus the money they owe for dele for Richarleson
     
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    tommysvr Mido

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    That's a great shout. He's exactly what they need imo.
     
  9. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Les Howe

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    I'm no fan of Winks, but I totally agree, he isn't a bad player. Quite the opposite! It's just that he's that little percentage below what level Spurs are at now, and he hasn't really progressed since he came into the first team. He was really promising, but it seems he reached his level very early, and has not been able to push on. Very good player, just not good enough for the very top level.
     
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  10. johnola

    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    My view is that strange injury has really knocked him back. There was a very effective Winksy before that.

    Maybe he might shake it off but it’s been a while and footballers have to perform.
     
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    MKSpur Johnny Morrison

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    He said himself he had to play through some pain and I agree pre injury he was a different player. I always felt Mason was a decent player too but he had to be at the absolute top of his fitness as he didn't have any outstanding physical gifts to help with that extra yard to get to the ball first, cover the ground or win a 50/50 against one of the more hunk of burning love like opponents they face. Sort of like an inverse of Sissoko!
    I suppose the other thing is when you are on and put of the team, just being tidy doesn't feel enough to win your place back, so you can try too hard and end up either overthinking things or being too ambitious with passes and dribbles trying to affect the game. Maybe at a new club he can settle again
     
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    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    We were always told it was a chronic condition, Poch just told him he'd have to learn to play through it.
     
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    Yiddo Johnny Morrison

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    Have you seen the prices some of these bang average players are being sold for? If we don’t get £25m for him then its not fantastic business in todays market.
     
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    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    Think it depends on how broadly you look at it - Another 10m+ (ideally 15m) signing brought in from an academy player is fine by me, it all adds up in the long run like CCV.

    Waiting it out for 25m isn't worth what he'll offer us on the pitch this season with Bissouma around. It's in everyone's interests to get a deal sorted, appreciate Wink's service and efforts but the guy needs a fresh start somewhere.
     
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  15. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    Their time has past ..

    - They were never able to take the step up in the Moyes era (typically were best of the rest)
    - They have failed miserably with a £0.5B injection in last couple of years and have got noticeably worse and have sanction and FFP concerns
    - Other teams around them, Wolves, West Ham, Leicester and now Newcastle have just improved.

    The big issue for Everton is they never corrected in the income issue, they earn around the same as West Ham, which is less than half of any of the top 5 earners.
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    They've started building a new stadium. Although with usminov sanctioned and the current economic climate, that may be a problem.
     
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    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    No doubt In the short and medium term but the future holds many many football seasons, and history is permanently imprinted.

    Yea but then look at Blackburn, Newcastle and Emirates Marketing Project- their fortunes changed overnight but the pedigree and deep history was already there.

    Had England teams not been kicked out of Europe after Heysel Everton would have been in European finals. It’s not that long ago. On such events fortunes change, what you see now is not permanent even if just a few decades of dominance gives that impression.

    We are different to European countries, we have historic clubs everywhere and Cities like Sunderland, Sheffield and Bristol will get back on top given enough time.
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    The thing is they are irreversibly damaged by it. Not so much in a city where the vast support is for one club (newcastle). But kids growing up in sheffield are likely to start supporting a utd, or liverpool or city. Not all but enough. Being a kid supporting a team that loses a lot is hard. Especially if their rivals are doing better.
     
  19. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    Exactly, plus stuff like this -> Unesco strips Liverpool of its world heritage status | Liverpool | The Guardian

    Blackburn was a different era, someone could put in a few million and make a difference

    City was the 2nd (after Chelsea) and they literally spent a billion+ to compete, Newcastle is here but how do they win, do they spend 2B?/3B? and how do you think faded clubs like Everton can compete against that (even if they were well run, which clearly they aren't). and to @Lilbaz point, they have done so little with that brand in the last two decades.

    There are tons of clubs with history in the UK, I get it, but without being very aggressively run as a business with a long term vision to close the financial gap to top clubs, or crazy money doping (which is getting harder), that's what they will remain, history ..
     
  20. FatBloke

    FatBloke Pascal Chimbonda

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    Interesting discussion. I think Everton missed their chance too. When Jol had his two 5th placed finishes with us (05/06 and 06/07), Everton finished 11th and 7th (although they did manage 4th in 04/05). We then faded under Ramos, and then of course there was the 8 games / 2 points season. Meanwhile, Everton under Moyes went on a run of 7th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th and 6th (and then 5th under Martinez).

    Around 2010, Emirates Marketing Project finally broke the dominance of the Big Four clubs, who'd been utterly entrenched thanks to those four CL places. Thankfully, Spurs were able to get a foot in the door, just, before going on to the glory-glory days (relatively speaking) under Poch -- thanks in no large part to the emergence of Bale, Modric and then Kane. Whereas Everton tailed off. It could so easily have been us and not them.

    For his part, Levy managed to get the stadium done, and it's that which'll allow us to compete now and in the future. Will the Big 6 become a Big 7 with Newcastle, or will we see Man U, Arsenal, or even Chelsea drop out? Hopefully!

    Here's an interesting article on how the league went from Big 5 (Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, ManU) to Big 4 to Big 6:
    https://www.planetsport.com/soccer/news/premier-league-big-six-balance-power-english-football-evolve
     
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