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F.A statement on the word "yid"

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by djp82, 11 Sep 2013.

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Has the time come for us stop chanting the Y-word?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. djp82

    djp82 Gheorge Popescu

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    Via rob Harris on twitter


    Full FA announcement on the use of variations of "Yid" at matches >>>


    Background
    The FA is committed to promoting equality and inclusion in football and to confronting and eliminating discrimination of every kind.
    The FA appreciates that language is a complex issue: the use and meaning of words is constantly evolving. This means that, over time, sometimes neutral words or phrases can come to be understood as offensive; and, similarly, words or phrases previously considered as offensive can become more acceptable.
    The FA also appreciates the difference between the use of language in the private and public sphere. Whilst someone may be free to use the language of his or her choice at home, the same is not the case when he or she does so publicly.
    As the governing body of football, it is The FA’s duty to enforce the Laws of the Game and to send out clear messages about what is and what is not acceptable language within the context of football.
    The term ‘Yid’
    Although the term derives from the Yiddish word for a Jew, its use in the English language has been, both historically and in contemporary use, derogatory and offensive.
    It is noted that many minority communities have sought to reclaim historic terms of abuse such as this as a means of empowerment. The process of empowerment through reclaiming language is complex and can often divide opinion within the same community.
    In light of the historic and contemporary use of the term, The FA considers that the use of the term ‘Yid’ is likely to be considered offensive by the reasonable observer.
    Use of the term by football fans
    The FA is aware that there are sections of fans at certain clubs who describe themselves using the term, or variants of the term, ‘Yid’. Those fans claim that use of the term is a ‘badge of honour’ and is not intended to be offensive.
    Nevertheless, its use is still liable to cause offence to others, whether Jewish or not.
    Also, by using the term in this manner, fans may be clouding the issue by making it harder to differentiate its use by these fans and by those who use the term in an intentionally offensive manner.
    Further, use of the term in a public setting could amount to a criminal offence, and leave those fans liable to prosecution and potentially a lengthy Football Banning Order. Summary
    Summary
    The FA considers that for the betterment of the game, rules on acceptable behaviour and language need to be simple, understandable and applicable to all people at all levels of the game.
    As such, The FA considers that the use of the term ‘Yid’ is likely to be considered offensive by the reasonable observer and considers the term to be inappropriate in a football setting.

    The FA would encourage fans to avoid using it in any situation.
     
  2. paxtonwolf

    paxtonwolf Tommy Harmer

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    This could be interesting on matchdays.

    "We'll sing what we want, we're Tottenham Hostpur, we'll sing what we want"
     
  3. Papercut

    Papercut Jermaine Jenas

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    I wanted to post a thread on this but will briefly post it here.

    We should throw it in their faces and say we sing Yiddo due to the number of Turks and Kurds in the community.

    http://www.turkishdictionary.net/?word=yi%F0it

    Yigit (silent G) and therefore yigido (silent G) is a derivative meaning brave, young man, stouthearted...

    Sivaspor (who are managed by Roberto Carlos and have a technical director Murat Erdogan - a lad I know who is a North Londoner) - this is the term they use for their team:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7nGN26_olk

    Plausible deniability :D
     
  4. bensonrecon

    bensonrecon Jamie Slabber

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    Use word Yid = FA demonizing us

    Group chanting about Hitler, gassing etc = No punishment and the FA praising you for banning ONE person.

    No wonder the national set up is a joke when they can't even identify abuse properly
     
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  5. Pandy

    Pandy Ramon Vega

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    This is what really sickens me the most. "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's gonna gas them again" - so active anti-semitism that is guaranteed to offend is fine but a chant which was actually a disgusted response to the very same anti-semitism isn't allowed because it may cause offense to some mis-informed clowns? Brilliant...
     
  6. THFC6061

    THFC6061 Pedro Mendes

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    As a proud member of two Yid Armies (I also served in the IDF) I'd love to meet the jobsworth that will prosecute me for simply affirming my heritage.
     
  7. AberYid

    AberYid Steven Caulker

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    Dear F.A

    No.

    Yours,
    Yid's
     
  8. the fox in the box

    the fox in the box Øyvind Leonhardsen

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    even the metroplitan police have said we have no case to answer too....


    Gauranteed 10 pont deduction on saturday then.....
     
  9. Superhudd

    Superhudd Simon Davies

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    Oh dear.. Greg Dyke being a total prick, who would have thought hey!
     
  10. galeforce

    galeforce George Hunt

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    100 times this
     
  11. Pandy

    Pandy Ramon Vega

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    No that will come after we finish 4th, 9 points above Arsenal...
     
  12. GGyid

    GGyid Sean Davis

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    Mr Defoe is going to be a bit upset
     
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    COYS Allan Nielsen

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    What makes the term 'yid' racist? As the FA acknowledged, it originates from the Yiddish word for a Jew, however in the English lexicon it turned in to an offensive word when used in that context. But what if it's used in a supporting context? In a context that stands up for Jews when Jews and non-Jews are singing it together?

    As a Jew you will proudly hear me branding myself a YIDDO!
     
  14. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    It is really pleasing when this happens every season. It just galvanises and unites all fans behind the cause. You can guarantee the chanting will be louder than ever at the next few games.

    If the triumvirate of self-hating chavs (Baddiel), racist black lawyers and bigoted old christians at the FA stopped this annual persecution, it probably would have died out years ago.

    Yids against anti-semitism, however well dressed up it is.
     
  15. Richie

    Richie Naybet

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    If we want to get in to the semantics of language, we need to look at the concept of offence. English describes it perfectly, offence is 'taken' and not 'given', the focus is therefore on the offended rather than the offender.

    The idea of laws making offence illegal is preposterous.

    It's pathetic from the FA. They are doing this as a PR exercise to show themselves taking a stance against racism, but obviously nothing will change. As others have said, they are much bigger fishes to fry when it comes to football chanting
     
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    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Just to fight back a little, we should pick a week and go all Ajax: http://bin.ilsemedia.nl/m/m1dyk2swdsmd.jpg.

    Although somehow acknowledging the inclusivity of it (our muslim yids like Kaboul, Dembele, Nayim, Kanoute, Naybet etc)
     
  17. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    He did work for the BBC and anyone who has ever had the misfortune to watch that pile of ****(News) will know that they are more obessed with PC then with proper news stories.

    I will echo the other posts who have said that their failure to clamp down on the people that chant some disgusting things is the real story.

    Im not Jewish but i do call myself a yid because of my connection(40 yeaars) to tottenham. Now surely if we and the Jewish community of tottenham who do not have a problem with us calling ourselves yids do it in a positive way the is no problem.

    Although not Jewish i do not know how you can stop people at what is widely considered a Jewish club stop calling themselves something connected to that religion, surely that goes against what Blairites like Greg Dyke want.

    If a football club was created in Liecester and got promoted through the leagues and because of that towns large muslim population started calling themselves some slang word for muslim, would they be told to stop or would the ones abusing them be in the wrong?
     
  18. Whiffler

    Whiffler Young-Pyo Lee

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    Dyke has unfortunate connotations - please don't mention him outside the privacy of your own home.
     
  19. Nezza

    Nezza Ben Thatcher

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    Personally, I find all types of weaponry offensive and would therefore be grateful if the FA could ban all uses of words such as "gun" or "gunner". As for the place where you would store a quantity of weapons, not only is the very concept highly offensive but the name actually contains a obscenity.

    The team who play at the Emirates will just have to change their whole identity so I'm not offended.
     
  20. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    How about the FA just **** right off
     

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