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Dele Alli

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 2 Feb 2015.

  1. Raziel

    Raziel Steffen Iversen

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    It's not Mourinho's job to ensure Dele's success, it's his job to make Spur's successful full stop.

    While what you say makes sense, Jose isn't going to take chances, to me it comes down to the midfield choice (front 3 is set).

    Assuming midfield is PEH, Ndombele +1, does Dele fit in the +1 against Fulham? or are we going to go with more of a workhorse? (e.g. Sissoko)
     
  2. stinkfoot

    stinkfoot Kasey Keller

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    I think - knowing Mourinho - that’s a rhetorical question ;) but I personally would yes. With one sitter (PEH) and two working together in front of him (Dele and Ndombele) as box to box.

    But this is just my wishful thinking that a) that set up would actually work and b) Dele is poised to show everyone he’s on his way back to his best.
     
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  3. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Against Fulham... I’d love to have an extra attacking mid
     
  4. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    I trust Jose to pick a team that he believes will win us the game.
     
  5. metalgear

    metalgear Jimmy McCormick

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    actually amazing to see dele put in a shift like that against Marine without the fancy flicks but sheer hard work and quick thinking. turned a corner? we certainly need his wits and guile on the pitch.

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  6. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    fudge sakes here we go, Dele's always worked hard off the ball - it's nothing new
     
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  7. metalgear

    metalgear Jimmy McCormick

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    Hard working but getting involved? Don't recall him getting that physical in games. Maybe it's Marine players getting to him but good to see him physically involved and playing through the crowd more.

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  8. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Yes, was/is a very effective presser and his numbers for blocks, interceptions, tackles and ball recoveries are as high as any other front 5/6 player for us over the last few seasons.
     
  9. Raziel

    Raziel Steffen Iversen

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    Said it above, it wasn't the effort but the actual (largely successful) attempt to control the game that was different for Dele.

    Too often he will do the work, make runs, etc. but let someone else (Eriksen most of the times in the past) "run the game" hence the perception for a lot of people even when he was playing well was he didn't contribute much other than goals (for what that statement is worth)
     
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  10. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    When you set up to play with a playmaker, like we did with Eriksen, you don't want a second player trying to run the game? Seems a strange thing to criticise a player for, despite that, on the ball, i think he's shown as much as any other CM/AM in the same time period with the obvious exception of Eriksen himself.
     
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  11. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    This, he's actually a really good presser in games - one of the most effective in Europe, actually. A Statsbomb article from summer 2019 pointed out that in Dele, Lo Celso and Ndombele, we had built Europe's most talented side in terms of carrying out a high press - didn't work like that, but the stats were there.

    However, I think his decision making has always let him down - too much of a focus on the instinctual over the measured. When it comes off, it's grand, but it's also lazy and hurts us when it doesn't. In that respect, there were defo a lot of positive signs against Marine of him getting his head up and playing the smart ball as opposed to the instinctual flick.

    Against basically amateurs, true, but I think it's the principle more than anything else - play quick, play smart, don't dilly-dally with the ball. Mourinho was evidently happy, and I hope Dele gets back into the team a bit more now.
     
  12. Raziel

    Raziel Steffen Iversen

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    In the many games he has played post/without Eriksen, I can't recall him "imposing" himself on the game like he did with Marine (even against other similar lower level sides)

    I'm not calling him out, or saying he never had the ability, I'm saying in my observation he hasn't done it (similar to Harry always being able to pass, but this season is very different) and is probably his best chance to make a place again in PL first 11.
     
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    Let's get our brick together!​
     
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    90291Spur Johnny Morrison

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  15. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    If he's not going to get time here then my next choice would be for him to go out on loan and get back playing regularly and then reassess in the summer.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    From a club perspective sending him on loan can help maintain his value
    If he ain’t getting games here then no point keeping him here just in case anymore
     
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    90291Spur Johnny Morrison

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    I fear we will only see them on the bench unless we get a load of injuries/suspensions.
     
  18. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Ruel Fox

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    90291Spur Johnny Morrison

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    I know football is a heartless business and so many of our former players have been treated like utter dogbrick by the club. I guess we can add Dele to the list of players being unfairly treated based on Jose's comments. He's a well paid employee of a business entity and has a special place for many of us as a vital component of a team that played gorgeous football and ALMOST won things. I'd much prefer is Jose kept his flap shut on this one and focused on the part of his job that pertains to us not letting in goals while desperately trying to cling on to slender 1-0 leads.
     
  20. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Pat van den Hauwe

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    I think that's an understatement. When a manager publicly calls out a player for believing "that it’s not his job to fight and to work every minute for the squad and for the club”, that's pretty much the death knell sounding. It feels a step beyond some kind of reverse psychology to get a reaction.
     

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