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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Howard Webb, 8 Feb 2012.

  1. parklane1

    parklane1 Les Howe

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    Well lets put it this way there are players who IMO in yesterdays game were strolling ( now i understand that players have off games) but its not the first time ( there were doing it under Pooch as well). Players like Toby, Dele, have played well in some games under Jose ( which proves they still have the ability) but in others they seem to lack the commitment that is needed at this level.

    Now i may be wrong but its not very professional to just stroll through games, every player can/has bad games but the effort should always be at 400% and in all honesty i did not see that yesterday.
     
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  2. parklane1

    parklane1 Les Howe

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    I agree of course and you are right, but the point that others made was that Dubai posted some stats up that he implied made Levy look bad ( no surprise there), as it turned out he had not done his homework by reading through it correctly.
     
  3. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    You see i get what you're saying, but i don't think effort in itself is or has been an issue. It's how said effort is applied in our tactical plans which i think is more the issue.

    I think Jose is a pragmatic manager who will know that the physical abilities of the players to put the kind of physical effort that Poch demanded is now probably beyond them, so they are more prone to sitting back (our backline is more slow than in the past overall) and choosing our moments as to when to exert pressure etc.
    It's why that change bought some dividends in the initial games: teams were used to us trying to push them back and pen them in, and we changed it to sitting more compact and then breaking on them to exploit spaces left etc.

    I think that is sound and pragmatic; however, the problem is that it is also limited and i think tactically, Everton and the kind of personnel they had showed up those weaknesses big time.

    Basically, i don't think we lost because of a lack of effort: imo it was a lack of ideas and also creativity
     
  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    We were bottom of the league in all key metrics after that game including distances covered, tackles made and presses made
    That’s a lack of effort
    Statistically it was worse than Fulham and West Brom. And that’s from a Team that had the better chances and had the most possession. It was lazy effort not tactics that hurt
    The dele change was tactical and that hurt us I’d agree but the lack of players making any actual real effort cost us much more
     
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  5. parklane1

    parklane1 Les Howe

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    Fair comment and you make some good points and you may be right, but i do see a lack of effort (at times) but i do agree that we BADLY lack creativity ( and have since Eriksen). The trouble with lack of effort is that it also affects the players individual actions and they then to make bad decisions on the pitch, as you say we can not work at the same physical effort that we did under Poch ( teams burn out and we have players who have) so we have had to adjust our game a lot.

    Poch came in for a lot of stick about our downturn in form ( some of it was deserved) but some of our players also have to take a lot of blame. Now its debatable who lost who ( Poch losing the players or the players giving up under him) and we have had all sorts of debates on here from all members who was to blame. Personally i think it was both of them but that's history now.
     
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  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Toby was one who never gets slated. He literally didn’t jump from their goal
    Kane was very lazy. Didn’t make one press all game and left his colleagues stranded
    Davies worked hard actually but his lack of quality with the ball hurt us
    Winks was toss and barely moved from
    His trusted central area.
    son and Lucas were ineffective but did actually do some running
    Dier I didn’t notice until they turned him inside out a few times so there's another’s
    In fact for me Dele our a shift in, Doherty did and although I don’t rate PEH his work rate was IMO the best by a long long way
     
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  7. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    I don't think a hallmark of our team under Jose is to run, make tackles etc. In key areas of the pitch (our defensive third perhaps) but we rarely have chased, harried etc like we used to be able to more strategically 2 years ago. I honestly think Everton tactically had us where they wanted in that they sat relatively deep with not too high a defensive line and they had the players to spring the likes of Richarlison into space when they got the ball from deep (e.g Rodriguez or Gomes). It meant we were on edge to close them down as we knew we'd leave ourselves exposed at the back. That was a situation made worse when we conceded imo as the players seem generally more scared to concede than say 'f it, let's attack and roll that dice'...
     
  8. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    Fair points. What i will say re Toby is that a striker like Calvert-Lewin would always leave him for dust in the air since his injury of November 2017. The sad thing is: i'm not sure any of our centre-backs could have stopped that goal, or at least stopped Calvert-Lewin getting the header. That never used to be the case:(
     
  9. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Brilliant header
    TBF if a player can get that kind of leap he would beat peak Toby and jan IMO (I think he is taller). But we needed to make it harder for him as that’s the other dark art of defending
     
  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Look at the post I made in the tactics thread
    We made more effort at pressing (could be argued we made effort) but it was ineffective as it was solo efforts, not collective (because the supporting cast were lazy)
    And yeah they were deep but under no pressure at all
     
  11. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Jimmy McCormick

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    Not forgetting Pochettino wanting Wijnaldum but ending up with Sissoko, whilst the latter has become a decent squad player he ain’t ever going to another Dembele but maybe the former could’ve been under Pochettino’s tutelage...

     
  12. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Michael Carrick

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    If he pulls off Reguilon and Bale, fudge it, he can do all the dodgy share deals he likes.
     
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  13. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    You know what, fair enough. You're right, I didn't read closely enough - apologies. They just took the little money that had loaned us back.

    Fair enough, mate - read it incorrectly.
     
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    Bullet Paul Walsh

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    7 hours ago you said that we were top of the league for presses made . They were just brick presses.
     
  15. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    No attempted presses we were top
    We failed on them though and Had worst stats than Fulham ... and their awful
     
  16. P.D.

    P.D. Jermaine Jenas

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    The summer of buying no one has cost us big time, you need to freshen up the squad every year to bring in new faces, persoalities, keep up pressure for places etc.

    However lots of people on here said the we need to be brave quotes were about Poch wanting to develop the squad and not sign players for the sake of it and he reportedly rejected many players we could have signed - as ever the truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
     
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  17. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Will be interesting to see how pool fare in a few years time as they havent bought in anyone of note over the last 3 windows and are now getting column inches on the need to invest
     
  18. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Chris Armstrong

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    True. But they have assets that are worth a lot so, if they want to turn over the squad a bit, they can fund it through a couple of judicious sales.
    In the way that Chelsea will also do in future now they've played the system and exploited the lockdown to bank a load of players for future realisation.
     
  19. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Of course but they have to want to sell those assets too
     
  20. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    To be fair it was the Swiss Ramble fella that posted an incorrect account of things that made the owners look bad. Can’t really blame Dubai for taking that at face value, especially as the Swiss Ramble seems to be quite respected.
     

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