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Another shooting in Murica

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Roy1983, 17 Jul 2016.

  1. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    It’s a gift!
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I believe in equality between everyone (except gingers ofc) just as much as you.

    I just don't believe what we've seen is evidence the way you do.
     
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  3. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Milija Aleksic

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    I watched it when it was first posted. Don’t have anything to add to what Steff has already said. Not sure it required calling posters out.
     
  4. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Mido

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    I didn't call you a racist for a reason. I don't believe you are one. Just felt I needed to get that out there.
     
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Isn't calling someone a bigot pretty similar in a discussion heavily featuring race?
     
  6. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Mido

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    Yes hence why I felt I needed to say this. I apologise.
     
  7. parklane1

    parklane1 Gary Stevens

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    Do you feel "called out" REALLY. :eek:
     
  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Thanks - for the record I don't think that's your normal train of thought either.

    There's more than one way to oppose racism. I'm not going to start accusing people or entire workforces of racism without more evidence than a white person shooting a black one.
     
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  9. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Fair enough mate, and absolutely.
     
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  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Pretty much nutshell it mate.
    The seeds of division and anger sewn repeatedly by Trump and his aides.Of course, the conditions in which black America has lived for too long are contributing factors too. As for the police, I maintain there have been poor hiring practices, that they are overwhelmed and largely under-trained to deal with much of what they now deal with, and that the chaos/fear ball has some in certain states most certainly reacting in bias ways even though they might not recognize it as such. It is giant fudging mess. And this latest thing with the 17 year old magnifies it tenfold.
     
  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Scara. A quick secret. Santa is not real. And neither is the tooth fairy. Sorry mate.
     
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  12. Rorschach

    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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  13. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    You're doing it again. You insert these small "details" and they become part of the narrative. You have suggested that I said the police would've "shot him" had he been black. Whilst that is absolutely a very possible outcome, my main thrust was to illustrate that the 17 year old would not have been allowed to walk on freely. He would've been stopped in some fashion by the police - and in this case, they'd have been doing their jobs properly as the 17 year old is a murderer.

    You live in a world where statistics and figures appear to dominate your thinking as opposed to informing aspects of it. As we both know, statistics and figures are only worth the bodies from which they are generated; it is hard to find political stats which are wholly universal as achieving such sample sizes is virtually impossible.I deleted a response to the crime stats exchange we had based on this sentiment.

    If you could step out from your desk, slip on the silk smoking jacket and get the pipe and slippers too for a leisurely ponder in the clubhouse chair, you'd allow yourself to admit that "yes, it is obvious a 17 year old black male with a large firearm would not have been allowed to walk away from the scene of an active crime."

    The officers who let him walk away should be sacked. It is very fortunate that this frontally-lobe-challenged misfit didn't shoot more people.
     
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  14. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Poor as it is mate, I have to say if you approach police in the current climate claiming you have a gun and are going to kill them, you are putting yourself in danger and have to expect that a policeman will feel they need to protect themselves when they reach into their pocket. He was mentally ill which explains it, but nonetheless...
     
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  15. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Milija Aleksic

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    No I don’t
     
  16. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    "It's not the police who need to be retrained, it's the public. We have grown into a mouthy, mobile phone wielding, vulgar, uncivil society with no personal responsibility and the attitude of 'it's the other person's fault, you owe me'. A society where children grow up with no boundaries or knowledge or concern for civil society and personal responsibility.

    When an officer says "Put your hands up," then put your hands up! Don't reach for something in your pocket, your lap, your seat. There's plenty of reason for a police officer to feel threatened, there have been multiple assaults and ambushes on police officers lately. Comply with requests from the officer, have your day in court. Don't mouth off, or fight, or refuse to comply... that escalates the situation.

    Police officers are our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters. They're black, white, brown, all colors, all ethnicities, all faiths, male and female, they are us. They see the worst side of humanity... the raped children, the bloody mangled bodies of traffic victims, the bruised and battered victims of domestic violence, homicide victims, body parts... day after day.

    They work holidays while we have festive meals with our families. They miss school events with their kids, birthdays, anniversaries, all those special occasions that we take for granted. They work in all types of weather, under dangerous conditions, for relatively low pay.

    They have extensive training, but they are human. When there are numerous attacks on them, they become hyper vigilant for a reason, they have become targets. When a police officer encounters any person... any person, whether at a traffic stop, a street confrontation, an arrest, whatever... that situation has the potential to become life threatening. You, Mr & Mrs/Miss Civilian, also have the responsibility of keeping the situation from getting out of control.

    Many law enforcement officers are Veterans. They've been in service to this nation most of their lives, whether on the battlefield or protecting us here at home. They are the only thing that stands between us and anarchy in the streets.

    If you want to protect your child, teach them respect."

    ~ Sheriff David Clarke
     
  17. parklane1

    parklane1 Gary Stevens

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    Good, because i can assure you that was not my intension.
     
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  18. parklane1

    parklane1 Gary Stevens

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    So, so true. A great summing up.
     
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    nayenezgani Steve Carr

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  20. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Nick Barmby

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    All true, and just because there are some racist clam officers (and there will be in any group that large) it does not mean they all are.
    Heard very recently that there 3000 reported assaults by UK police every year, and 23000 police assaulted every year.
    It's a thankless job and one I wouldn't like to do.
     
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