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American politics

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Danishfurniturelover, 26 Jan 2016.

  1. Lost Mango

    Lost Mango Sebastien Bassong

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    The ban from public office is a different thing to impeachment.

    Impeachment needs Senate to hit a 2/3rds majority vote for it to stick.

    The 14th Constitutional Amendment (I think?) or some such has a clause which allows a straight majority (51) to vote for banning anyone from holding public office. This can be done whether Impeachment is successful in the Senate or not.
     
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  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    They played a large part in the spread of the conspiracy theory that a load of Jews just didn't turn up for work in New York on 911.
    The long-running accusation is that what Al Jazeera does in English language is milder and less confrontational, keeping the ant-Semitic and anti-Western content in Arabic.

    I'm surprised you haven't heard this, it's the first thing that comes to mind for me when anyone mentions Al Jazeera. First link I found lists a few cases for example:
    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1499786/media
     
  3. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    The evidence so far is that it's going to cost him dearly.

    There are clearly a radical group of nutjobs who somehow manage to reconcile a position of "Allegiance to the flag, Murica - fudge yeah" with one of attempting to destroy the very democracy it is founded on. But businesses, banks, other Republicans, etc. are currently showing that's not a contradiction they're willing to accept. They're flocking away from Trump and taking their money with them.

    I don't doubt Trump was happy to lie about the election to whip them up into an angry mob that went and protested outside the Capitol. I don't doubt that he wants to play them for profit for the rest of what's left of his career. I can't believe that he wanted them to storm the Capitol as there's no end game where he even slightly benefits, let alone wins.
     
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  4. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Andy Thompson

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    The answer is at the very end of this clip.
     
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  5. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    Let's hope you're right.
    I would suggest that anyone who managed to generate 250 million+ after LOSING an election, let alone whip up that, has a built in cash till. He will have to avoid legal issues, certainly not easy, but easier to play victim and cause chaos with millions behind you. Let's review this after the 20th; I believe more is sadly to come, especially as he has not backed down at all, in fact choosing to double-down instead.
     
  6. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    This is what happens after the 20th:
    https://openargs.com/oa455-trump-is-going-to-prison-in-georgia/
     
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    Rorschach Vic Buckingham

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    Yes the rats are leaving as is the money, and I think one reason among many is that this insurrection story runs deeper. McConnell is reportedly ready to convict (supposedly) and other senior GOP members are now in open conflict with the qanon side of the party. I'm thinking that there is intel that they have seen, McConnell certainly has being a member of the gang of 8, which is far far worse than the mob just got out of hand hot-take some are pushing. They are trying to get out ahead of it.
     
  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    If you use McConnell's previous actions as a measure of his current, it's probably just smart political choices.

    He was right behind Trump when Trump was the party's best option, now he isn't. For all the terrible things McConnell is, a fool isn't one of them.
     
  9. braineclipse

    braineclipse Barry Daines

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    Big business obviously mostly responds when it makes financial sense to do so. I expect very little in terms of ethical decisions.

    The fact that it took this much to make Republican politicians to not accept this "contradiction" should on it's own be seen as a disaster of judgment and/or principles.

    I hope there will be consequences long term for them. If the lesson is that you can support authoritarians up to the point it goes wrong and then back away and suffer no consequences there really are no incentives to behave differently in the future.
     
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    Rorschach Vic Buckingham

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    I'm 400% certain that this is a political choice but the motivation to go against Trump, who will still largely control the base, must outweigh the risk of staying with him. A vote to convict is putting his own head in the crosshairs of some good old boy's high powered rifle. This is an unfolding story me thinks.
     
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    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    thfcsteff Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    Rorschach Vic Buckingham

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    DTA Didier Zokora

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    I will look in to the 911 thing but the arab news article is likely to be tosh as its owned and controlled by Saudi who are in political conflict with Qatar. Mainly because Qatar are not towing the line in terms of hostility towards Iran and al jeezra have been a torn in their side in terms of exposing some of the many underhand dealings that epitomises the quite frankly awful and dangerous Saudi state including their support and funding of whabbi groups which are the main driver of Islamic extremism.

    As for the Arab version of Al jezera being more extreme, I wouldnt know as I dont speak Arabic, but again if that message is coming from "Arab news" then I would view it with a huge amount of scepticism.

    Does anyone here speak Arabic, and watch that version of Al jezera? Would anyone say that what arab news is reporting is in anyway factual?
     
  15. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    I absolutely won't listen to the opinion parts from there, but the statements of fact remain. Al Jazeera has had a few instances of this and ex employees (again, consider the sauce) do not seem to feel there's much being done to stop that culture.
     
  16. Lost Mango

    Lost Mango Sebastien Bassong

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    From what I know Al Jazeera did originally push this story, although it seems to have originated with other news agencies first, but then retracted it. They have also been accused of anti-semitism because they take a pro-Palestinian stance when they are really anti-Israel and anti-Netanyahu. Would agree with DTA that Arab News is institutionally unreliable and basically a Saudi Pravda.
     
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    Rorschach Vic Buckingham

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    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    I'm not sure that makes it any less reliable than a Qatari Pravda.
     
  19. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Tom Huddlestone

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    No conspiracy theory that Trumps men have already got to them and done their work? Who's next?
     
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  20. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    Hopefully they’ve been vetted and aren’t the troops who were active on Parler...

     
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