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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Bin the Royals. The revisionism around this archaic institution is truly phenomenal. All of a sudden this "look what they do for us" flimflam being spouted.

Soon as the Queen kicks it, bin them all off. Happy for folks to furiously masturbate into their Daily Mail about how amazing she is until then.

Also a big fan of the "The Royals bring in more money than they cost" argument. Because, obviously all those tourists are having tea and scones with the Queen and meeting her face to face. They'd never come otherwise.

Absolute North Korea of it all.
 
scaramanga said:
Benn's political outlook was last relevant in the 1940s.

He helped fudge our country up in the 70s and became completely irrelevant from 1979 and has stayed that way.

Nothing WUM about that whatsoever. He was a treasonous clam and the world would have been far better off if he'd been an abortion.
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This is like reading The Onion refracted through VIZ...a bit of Top Tips with a good dash of Terry in there...
 
"Mummy laughs and cries with us all".

The deity like GHod-level we put this lady on. Yet we mock North Korea with Kim-Jong. Funny that.
 
Diamond Lights said:
"Mummy laughs and cries with us all".

The deity like GHod-level we put this lady on. Yet we mock North Korea with Kim-Jong. Funny that.
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Perhaps the more treacly the narrative about good queen Bess, the more vengefully the public will turn on her adulterous, petulant, footman-fellating, oligarch-pandering spoilt bastard of a successor.
 
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Legohamster said:
I imagine he walks it tbh.
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Relatively recent precedent (Thatcher and May) suggests that the holding of a confidence vote is the beginning of the end, if not always the immediate end.

Jordinho said:
What damage? Normal rules don't apply any more. Now he'll know who his enemies are and can replace them with more loyal subjects.
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He is now irredeemable in the eyes of the majority of the electorate. There is actually a strong argument to say that the best outcome tonight for opposition parties is that he wins and limps on to a election he will inevitably lose (especially with Labour and the Lib Dems now unofficially having entered into a subtle electoral pact). That wouldn't be the best outcome for the country though. GHod knows what further damage he can do during two more years in post.

Given that he has failed to get Brexit done (he is threatening to break international law to reverse a protocol he sold to the country as excellent), and that his handling of covid was mired in scandal and failure (200,00 deaths; missed COBRA meetings; illegal PPE contracts; "not locking down - am locking down - not locking down again - am locking down again"; illegal lockdown parties in his house resulting in 126 fines; repeatedly lying to parliament) I am struggling to work out what these "big calls that he got right" are that his ministers are parroting on the media round this morning.
 
Jordinho said:
What damage? Normal rules don't apply any more. Now he'll know who his enemies are and can replace them with more loyal subjects.
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It's about momentum. He's now dead man walking. He'll very likely win tonight, but after the by-election defeats in a fortnight time, they will push to change the rules to hold another one. I don't think anyone survives medium term from this initial knifing
 
Mikey10 said:
He is now irredeemable in the eyes of the majority of the electorate. There is actually a strong argument to say that the best outcome tonight for opposition parties is that he wins and limps on to a election he will inevitably lose (especially with Labour and the Lib Dems now unofficially having entered into a subtle electoral pact). That wouldn't be the best outcome for the country though. GHod knows what further damage he can do during two more years in post.
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It’s an odd one isn’t it. Johnson is incompetent. They might go for someone who is more efficiently evil. A Mike Pense to Johnson’s Trump. Which will be bad for everyone.

But equally they could end up with a centrist, a more Cameron like figure, which will be better for everyone for the next few years; but then like you say it gives them a fighting chance in the 2024 GE.
 
Says a lot about how bad things are in the Tory party and British politics in general when people say “who do you replace him with?”. It’s a fair question as there is no obvious, standout candidate, but the fact that Johnson is so bad and yet no one appears suitable to replace him is a very sobering thought.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Says a lot about how bad things are in the Tory party and British politics in general when people say “who do you replace him with?”. It’s a fair question as there is no obvious, standout candidate, but the fact that Johnson is so bad and yet no one appears suitable to replace him is a very sobering thought.
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Tugendhat is the standout candidate in terms of capabilities and potential appeal to the electorate. But he's too centrist within his party to get the necessary support at the time being. A bit like Rory Stewart last time.
 
Mikey10 said:
Relatively recent precedent (Thatcher and May) suggests that the holding of a confidence vote is the beginning of the end, if not always the immediate end.



He is now irredeemable in the eyes of the majority of the electorate. There is actually a strong argument to say that the best outcome tonight for opposition parties is that he wins and limps on to a election he will inevitably lose (especially with Labour and the Lib Dems now unofficially having entered into a subtle electoral pact). That wouldn't be the best outcome for the country though. GHod knows what further damage he can do during two more years in post.

Given that he has failed to get Brexit done (he is threatening to break international law to reverse a protocol he sold to the country as excellent), and that his handling of covid was mired in scandal and failure (200,00 deaths; missed COBRA meetings; illegal PPE contracts; "not locking down - am locking down - not locking down again - am locking down again"; illegal lockdown parties in his house resulting in 126 fines; repeatedly lying to parliament) I am struggling to work out what these "big calls that he got right" are that his ministers are parroting on the media round this morning.
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Johnson is nothing like those two, Johnson isn’t even a Tory - so he doesn’t even care if it is best for the party he goes - let alone the country.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Says a lot about how bad things are in the Tory party and British politics in general when people say “who do you replace him with?”. It’s a fair question as there is no obvious, standout candidate, but the fact that Johnson is so bad and yet no one appears suitable to replace him is a very sobering thought.
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Sunak is an excellent candidate if he can place the blame for all the recent spending on Johnson and his obsession with the red wall.
 
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