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World Cup 2026: Mexico, USA and Canada

SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I just think…we were up against Messi. And there is no one decision, tactical system or substitution that was going to nullify him and see us win the game.

I just listened the latest Stick to Football, and I thought Roy Keane was talking the most sense on this. So many of the conversation is around denying Messi the pass in the space where he wants it. It just doesn’t matter. We had him doubled up, he passes to the open man. And he assisted against us after a short corner…that is not the system, that’s just the concentration of the players. But also just his quality. The ball is sent centimeters over Stones head and on to the much smaller player to nudge in. We had numbers is the box to deal with it, and in the end the quality was just too good.

If we had tried anything else, gone harder for the second, Messi would have found different spaces. He sent Simeone away after getting free in midfield and only Spence heroics saved us.

I’m not saying other subs may not have worked better, I’m just saying I think the criticism Tuchel has received has been way too much, and the players have gotten away completely scot free. I have no particular care for Tuchel, it’s not like I’m so invested in his ‘project’, but I think a narrative has taken on a life of its own. Moving to a three at the back system absolutely should have still allowed us to have more than 12% possession and fashion chances on the break. The fact that it ended up THAT disastrously is a clear breakdown. It’s not all the manager, and the profile of player we had on the pitch was capable of doing far better than that.
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I respectfully disagree.
Tuchel got it so wrong.
Yes, Messi is brilliant and may well have done us.
But for 30 mins, Tuchel essentially told Argentina they could engage in an attack v defence drill...and when that attack contains Messi and that defence contains, well, our defence, then you're asking for it...
 
thfcsteff said:
I respectfully disagree.
Tuchel got it so wrong.
Yes, Messi is brilliant and may well have done us.
But for 30 mins, Tuchel essentially told Argentina they could engage in an attack v defence drill...and when that attack contains Messi and that defence contains, well, our defence, then you're asking for it...
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We had the game controlled to an extent till we scored, they had what? 1 chance before that.

The subs, the momentum shift in what the subs signified and mentality shift to being defensive played far greater into Messi hands than any time before that.

I don't subscribe to the whole "Messi was always going to get us" line, he is also 39, not 29,
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
It's the coaches and players who need to understand it, you're a spectator you should just enjoy it.
Try quantum mechanics it's more your sort of thing.
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How can you enjoy something you don’t understand?

How can you be sure you are right to enjoy it without understanding why you enjoy it.
 
I like music, I can't read it or understand how you would make an arrangement.
I love reading books but haven't a clue how to write a novel.
Enjoy cinema but from the little I know of the production process its tedious.
Like good food but have no interest in how it is prepared.
I get by without being an expert on any of these things.
 
thfcsteff said:
I respectfully disagree.
Tuchel got it so wrong.
Yes, Messi is brilliant and may well have done us.
But for 30 mins, Tuchel essentially told Argentina they could engage in an attack v defence drill...and when that attack contains Messi and that defence contains, well, our defence, then you're asking for it...
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But this is where I keep coming back to, who says it was Tuchel that asked the players to do that? Because purely bringing on a third centre back does not also mean defend the box with 11 behind the ball.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I saw you liked someone’s post likening the performance to Frank while ragging on me for a similar thing the other day. What gives?
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No my point on you and Frank was you saying you likes his appointment when he joined to then say it was always the wrong appointment when he left, then complained that people were not blaming him enough for the demise, it was relentless mate.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
But this is where I keep coming back to, who says it was Tuchel that asked the players to do that? Because purely bringing on a third centre back does not also mean defend the box with 11 behind the ball.
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I’m sure he also still expected them to press, close down and win headers in the box.

The goals England conceded were not because players were in the wrong place, it’s because they didn’t do their jobs.
 
Baleforce said:
I’m sure he also still expected them to press, close down and win headers in the box.

The goals England conceded were not because players were in the wrong place, it’s because they didn’t do their jobs.
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I can't remember much of it, but was Tuchel on the touchline berating them to get up the pitch?

One player (cant remember who) alluded in interview that it was tactical.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
But this is where I keep coming back to, who says it was Tuchel that asked the players to do that? Because purely bringing on a third centre back does not also mean defend the box with 11 behind the ball.
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I guess we will never know if it's on Tuchel, the players or a bit of both.

One thing that would suggest it's the players, is we've seen this before with England teams. The counter to that would be, they are not the same players. So purely a guessing game.

Tbh England are a bit like Spurs...England's tournament outcomes have been more than decent in recent times...so expectations increase to the point that it's virtually only winning that is left.

No win,No credit, no appreciation, no joy....it's only the beautiful game if you've won :)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I guess we will never know if it's on Tuchel, the players or a bit of both.

One thing that would suggest it's the players, is we've seen this before with England teams. The counter to that would be, they are not the same players. So purely a guessing game.

Tbh England are a bit like Spurs...England's tournament outcomes have been more than decent in recent times...so expectations increase to the point that it's virtually only winning that is left.

No win,No credit, no appreciation, no joy....it's only the beautiful game if you've won :)
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He didn't tell them to do it, he said that wasn't the intention and even went back to give an example of how he wasn't happy when we went 2-1 up vs Croatia and reverted to a low block which he didn't like. But as has been said previously, many ex players has said it happens unintentionally getting deeper and deeper when under pressure against the wishes of the manager - and stems back to our ability to keep the ball.

Now obviously you can question/criticise why what Tuchel wanted wasn't translated onto the pitch but the idea that not just Tuchel, but 95% of managers want a team to go so deep when taking the lead is nonsense....
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
No my point on you and Frank was you saying you likes his appointment when he joined to then say it was always the wrong appointment when he left, then complained that people were not blaming him enough for the demise, it was relentless mate.
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But the post I made a few days ago was likening another team to how we played at the end of Frank, exactly as the other post you liked did. Feels like your needlessly coming down on me.
 
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