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Transfer thread

harr1984 said:
What players are going to help us not get relegated who a) who are better than what we have b) Are going to be available in January and c) Want to come here

It's not that easy, who are all these great players who we've missed out on so far other than Semenyo who obviously would have improved us and we tried to sign?

Most of our players are back in the next month or so, it's pretty pointless signing stop gaps just for then.

We are 8 points above the relegation zone with a game in hand, during our worst period of form and injuries. It's not going to stay that way for the rest of the season, I'm going to go out on a limb and say we aren't getting relegated and don't need to be panic buying....
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Maddison, Solanke are not sure to be back this season, Richi, Kudus, Bergvall, Danso, Porro have no immediate timeframe, VDV, Romero, Spence hopefully back soon, so not sure about your assessment of next month or so.

You not knowing something, i.e. you not being a professional scout does not mean "no players exist"

45-50M will get you a quality player in Europe, and many teams will be willing to let players go (in Europe for that money), and if we look at our recent transfers

From Europe - Romero, VDV, Porro, Udogie, Danso, Vic, Sarr, Bergvall, Palhinha, Gallagher, Tel (none of which cost more than 45M)
From PL - Johnson, Gray, Richi, Biss, Odobert, Kudus, Solanke (5 over 50M)

I'd say there is a clear argument for going to the continent
 
Bullet said:
I reckon if Spurs spend >£85m on a player in the next 2 days or in the summer, a few of the more sceptical negative posters on this board should be given a 6 month sinbin, unable to post.
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Happily (summer makes no difference), and if the club signs fudging nobody else/some weird punt or Sterling as desperate/panic buy, what do others get?
 
Raziel said:
Maddison, Solanke are not sure to be back this season, Richi, Kudus, Bergvall, Danso, Porro have no immediate timeframe, VDV, Romero, Spence hopefully back soon, so not sure about your assessment of next month or so.

You not knowing something, i.e. you not being a professional scout does not mean "no players exist"

45-50M will get you a quality player in Europe, and many teams will be willing to let players go (in Europe for that money), and if we look at our recent transfers

From Europe - Romero, VDV, Porro, Udogie, Danso, Vic, Sarr, Bergvall, Palhinha, Gallagher, Tel (none of which cost more than 45M)
From PL - Johnson, Gray, Richi, Biss, Odobert, Kudus, Solanke (5 over 50M)

I'd say there is a clear argument for going to the continent
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Maddison is likely back April at the latest the way his progression is going, Solanke is back and scoring. Almost all of those you name will be back April at latest and we are not in a state of desperation to buy stop gaps - as is evident by the fact we aren't.

We will have identified players we want, and most won't be available in January or extremely difficult to get over the line - I don't see us signing players just because they are available now. It's not some invented narrative that deals are harder to do in January, and a load of those players you mentioned we signed were in the summer, and knowing we would have European football next season. We simply aren't as attractive option right now for very good players, and we are not in a position where we need to just sign anyone that doesn't improve us in the long term.

Regardless, the original point was that what the club does in this January window is not some major indicator as to the ambition of the owners - It will be in the summer as to when conclusions should be made....
 
harr1984 said:
Maddison is likely back April at the latest the way his progression is going, Solanke is back and scoring. Almost all of those you name will be back April at latest and we are not in a state of desperation to buy stop gaps - as is evident by the fact we aren't.

We will have identified players we want, and most won't be available in January or extremely difficult to get over the line - I don't see us signing players just because they are available now. It's not some invented narrative that deals are harder to do in January, and a load of those players you mentioned we signed were in the summer, and knowing we would have European football next season. We simply aren't as attractive option right now for very good players, and we are not in a position where we need to just sign anyone that doesn't improve us in the long term.

Regardless, the original point was that what the club does in this January window is not some major indicator as to the ambition of the owners - It will be in the summer as to when conclusions should be made....
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It'll be quite good if we end the window not having made panic signings of Mateta and Sterling who can do a bit of a job for a while but chew up a boatload of wages and bloat the squad further leading to problems in the not-too-distant future.
If the players we really want simply won't be sold right now, then I'm okay with not dropping too far down the priority list until a willing body crosses the threshold.
 
harr1984 said:
Maddison is likely back April at the latest the way his progression is going, Solanke is back and scoring. Almost all of those you name will be back April at latest and we are not in a state of desperation to buy stop gaps - as is evident by the fact we aren't.

We will have identified players we want, and most won't be available in January or extremely difficult to get over the line - I don't see us signing players just because they are available now. It's not some invented narrative that deals are harder to do in January, and a load of those players you mentioned we signed were in the summer, and knowing we would have European football next season. We simply aren't as attractive option right now for very good players, and we are not in a position where we need to just sign anyone that doesn't improve us in the long term.

Regardless, the original point was that what the club does in this January window is not some major indicator as to the ambition of the owners - It will be in the summer as to when conclusions should be made....
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It absolutely says two things

- The ambition of the owners does not include the club being in Europe, at the start of January we were easily in reach, it's a decision that is going to cost us probably 40M+, prestige, future seeding, and perhaps even players (VDV) wanting to leave.
- The owners don't give a fudge about the manager, Frank needed help, he needed attacking options, a player that suits his style (whatever the fudge that is), they have signed his death sentence (If he ends season in 10th or worse, he'll be fired in summer)
 
Raziel said:
It absolutely says two things

- The ambition of the owners does not include the club being in Europe, at the start of January we were easily in reach, it's a decision that is going to cost us probably 40M+, prestige, future seeding, and perhaps even players (VDV) wanting to leave.
- The owners don't give a fudge about the manager, Frank needed help, he needed attacking options, a player that suits his style (whatever the fudge that is), they have signed his death sentence (If he ends season in 10th or worse, he'll be fired in summer)
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Indeed. I think Frank has done a pretty poor job at Spurs so far but the board haven’t helped him at all.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Indeed. I think Frank has done a pretty poor job at Spurs so far but the board haven’t helped him at all.
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100%, we have totally brick the bed, to me there were only two choices

- Fire Frank, get someone else in, early in January, get them 2 reinforcements as well (this would have been my choice)
- Back him, get him help early in January (those 5 games were our best chance to get a run together, take some pressure off)

We have done neither
 
Raziel said:
It absolutely says two things

- The ambition of the owners does not include the club being in Europe, at the start of January we were easily in reach, it's a decision that is going to cost us probably 40M+, prestige, future seeding, and perhaps even players (VDV) wanting to leave.
- The owners don't give a fudge about the manager, Frank needed help, he needed attacking options, a player that suits his style (whatever the fudge that is), they have signed his death sentence (If he ends season in 10th or worse, he'll be fired in summer)
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They tried that with Semenyo, a player that is better than what we had and was available in January and apparently went above and beyond our usual wage offerings. If there was a similar level player available then I'm sure we would have tried, or maybe we already have - not everything is played out in the press. I'd be more concerned if we just bought in bodies for the sake of a couple of months that aren't real difference makers....
 
harr1984 said:
They tried that with Semenyo, a player that is better than what we had and was available in January and apparently went above and beyond our usual wage offerings. If there was a similar level player available then I'm sure we would have tried, or maybe we already have - not everything is played out in the press. I'd be more concerned if we just bought in bodies for the sake of a couple of months that aren't real difference makers....
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Trying for Semenyo was the most obvious bit of spin one can ever see. We didn't get him (or a couple of others) in the summer when we had a clearer run.
In what world were we going to get him AFTER he'd signed a deal extension in the summer and when we were competing directly with not only Liverpool but Emirates Marketing Project as well?

I'm quite annoyed that the club are feeding Semenyo as another of their 'we tried' PR narratives and even worse getting their current PR frontman, Thomas Frank, to sing it in public.

Such same old, same old when it comes to the crunch. If you don't get a player WHO YOU KNOW YOU HAD ZERO CHANCE OF GETTING, JUST SAY NOTHING
 
harr1984 said:
They tried that with Semenyo, a player that is better than what we had and was available in January and apparently went above and beyond our usual wage offerings. If there was a similar level player available then I'm sure we would have tried, or maybe we already have - not everything is played out in the press. I'd be more concerned if we just bought in bodies for the sake of a couple of months that aren't real difference makers....
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And I understand your perspective, mine is

- People in the club are paid lots of money, to be the best at what they do, to have a plan B, to ensure the club/manager/squad has all the tools available to meet the team's needs. Having your only target as Semenyo (who long before the window opened we knew there would be significant competition for) with no other option is incompetence.

And this leads to consequence

- If we had bought Frank 2 first team players in early January, and he still failed, the owners/Vinai/Lange could say, we gave him the tools, and it was on him, fire and move on
- If we don't, the sphere of responsibility gets larger (like Munn with Ange), if we fail from here on in, it's no longer "just" Frank
 
glorygloryeze said:
Trying for Semenyo was the most obvious bit of spin one can ever see. We didn't get him (or a couple of others) in the summer when we had a clearer run.
In what world were we going to get him AFTER he'd signed a deal extension in the summer and when we were competing directly with not only Liverpool but Emirates Marketing Project as well?

I'm quite annoyed that the club are feeding Semenyo as another of their 'we tried' PR narratives and even worse getting their current PR frontman, Thomas Frank, to sing it in public.

Such same old, same old when it comes to the crunch. If you don't get a player WHO YOU KNOW YOU HAD ZERO CHANCE OF GETTING, JUST SAY NOTHING
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Before the window there was a lot of talk from different agents that Spurs are now going to be loosening their wage structure offerings. Of course the proof is in the pudding, but to do that we are obviously going to have to be going in for 'bigger' players. We are in a catch 22 situation at the moment, because of our league positioning and also I'd say our fan behaviour we are not an attractive proposition for the better players right now.

In the summer that could change, if we can somehow sell the dream so to speak. I'm not even saying the ambition will be or is any different, just that a January window when our stock isn't high enough to attract real quality is not the time to judge. There have hardly been a load of great signings from other clubs this window, I'll wait and see what the summer brings before making any definitive judegments.....
 
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