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Tottenham Hotspur Wheel of Misfortune
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Rock Strongo
dodgy Dave Goosegog
That's not a wheel of failure. That's AVB -> present.
Grassroots
Kevin-Prince Boateng
Rob
Peter Taylor
Spurs are not the best or biggest team in the world shocker.
We are struggling to finish fourth which suggests that there are at least four clubs in this country alone who are better than us, have better resources, can offer higher wages, have a world ranking higher than ours. We can't win the europa league after years of trying so there are plenty of other clubs - benfica as an example who are better than us are a massive feeder club!
If we try to finish fourth and fail then some of our players are going to want to move on to one of those clubs who are performing at that higher level - Teddy Sheringham did. We see this at a lot of European teams also, ones who are much better than us like Atletico Madrid for example - they constantly sell their best players and constantly replace them and constantly improve.
Our problem is in the players we have been replacing the sold players with, NOT the actual selling of star players. When modric left, have we bought a like for like for him yet? No. When bale left, it was always gonna be difficult to replace him but technically Nacer Chadli was the player who was bought in to fill the gap left by Bales departure and that's a joke! Atletico would never have done that!
We are struggling to finish fourth which suggests that there are at least four clubs in this country alone who are better than us, have better resources, can offer higher wages, have a world ranking higher than ours. We can't win the europa league after years of trying so there are plenty of other clubs - benfica as an example who are better than us are a massive feeder club!
If we try to finish fourth and fail then some of our players are going to want to move on to one of those clubs who are performing at that higher level - Teddy Sheringham did. We see this at a lot of European teams also, ones who are much better than us like Atletico Madrid for example - they constantly sell their best players and constantly replace them and constantly improve.
Our problem is in the players we have been replacing the sold players with, NOT the actual selling of star players. When modric left, have we bought a like for like for him yet? No. When bale left, it was always gonna be difficult to replace him but technically Nacer Chadli was the player who was bought in to fill the gap left by Bales departure and that's a joke! Atletico would never have done that!
jts1882
Dean Richards
Our chase for the CL holy grail does seem to be surrounded by misfortune. We finally get out house in order and then two competitors get sugar-daddies. We lose out due to lasagnagate where the bad luck of falling ill is compounded by circumstances preventing the game being moved (the world cup dead line and West Ham being in the cup final). Then there was Munich where the germans finally learn how to lose a penalty shootout, which followed on from earlier misses by Robben and Messi.
Both close misses result in further turmoil with players leaving and eventually managers getting sacked. Imagine if we had won at West Ham. Perhaps a season in the CL would have helped Jol stay on long-term. Or would 'Arry have been sacked without Munich?
There could be another. Imagine if City get thrown out of the CL and the place goes to the 5th placed club, in the year we dropped to 6th.
Both close misses result in further turmoil with players leaving and eventually managers getting sacked. Imagine if we had won at West Ham. Perhaps a season in the CL would have helped Jol stay on long-term. Or would 'Arry have been sacked without Munich?
There could be another. Imagine if City get thrown out of the CL and the place goes to the 5th placed club, in the year we dropped to 6th.
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Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Few more inserts into the Cycle of Misfortunate:
Narrowly miss out on 4th place ---> qualify for euros ---> replace manager close season ---> fail to attract top replacements ---> wait until deadline day to sell best player for highest price ---> squad disruption ---> new arrivals take too long settling in ---> 5000 mile round trips Thursdays ---> return exhausted ---> lose Sundays ---> morale crumbles ---> get thrashed by top four ---> replace manager with stand-in until end of season - narrowly miss out on 4th place --->
Narrowly miss out on 4th place ---> qualify for euros ---> replace manager close season ---> fail to attract top replacements ---> wait until deadline day to sell best player for highest price ---> squad disruption ---> new arrivals take too long settling in ---> 5000 mile round trips Thursdays ---> return exhausted ---> lose Sundays ---> morale crumbles ---> get thrashed by top four ---> replace manager with stand-in until end of season - narrowly miss out on 4th place --->
Explain?
Where is the examples (taking SAF out of the equation as a one off) of 4+ years managerial time leading to significant/sustained success?
As the stats person, how many league/cup trophies in Europe (again minus SAF) in the last 7-10 years have gone to a manager in role for 4 or more years?
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Bill Nicholson (8 trophies won) & Keith Burkinshaw (3 trophies won) both managed the club for more than four seasons each and both were our most successful managers in our history.
Robbo
Les Ferdinand
Never thought about that. Guaranteed to happen now, isn't it.
I'd be very worried if I was a City fan - even their billionaire ovner can't protect them from the Spurs Curse™.
:lol:#-o](*,)
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Sorry mate but that's not right. The days of long reigns are gone in football. Harry and Jol had good stints by today's standards.
The biggest reason we have struggled for success is that other clubs spend more than us on players and wages. It really is that simple. Managerial stability isn't some silver bullet solution.
clownfoot
Goran Bunjevcevic
What about, as Raziel asked, in the last 7-10 years?
Modern football is vastly different from the era of Nicholson in terms of management overturn. It isn't merely Spurs that are trigger happy letting a coach go. Since Wenger took over at Arsenal, every team in the football league has changed their manager at least once. The climate of football has changed. This is why successful managers in the modern era move on to other clubs rapidly. Arguably Mourinho's biggest challenge since being Porto manager is rebuilding the Chelsea team, something he has never had to do before. Something Wenger has failed to do for a decade now. Longevity, although I wish for it at Spurs, does not indicate success.
Roland Beurre
Peter Taylor
Exactly .. even more so, data on modern teams would probably indicate the opposite.
Nezza
Ben Thatcher
Haha - love the "I HATE MR SHERWOOD" written across the middle
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Saw something the other day that said teams fighting relegation do better when they change manager. Not a popular opinion but the facts back it up.
clownfoot
Goran Bunjevcevic
Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham x 2 would be obvious counter arguments. But it depends who you get in. Pulis and Allardyce are good at avoiding the drop
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Yeah they would be but it was based on hard facts.
The "establishment" view is that stability is the only way to success and while I think some clubs do pull the trigger early, that view shouldn't just be accepted and regurgitated as indisputable fact. In any business guys at the top rarely get more than 4 or 5 years. Football is now gone that way and sometimes for good reason.
Take City this year. Getting rid of Mancini with his record could be seen as harsh. But they've just won two trophies with the new lad. Chelsea dumped Ancellotti and AVB in a matter of months. They were slated for both but won the FA Cup and CL. As unfair as it sometimes is, managerial change can be the catalyst for success.