tommysvr
Justin Edinburgh
That philosophy suits Mourinho and Conte better: do whatever you can to just make sure you win the match. Ange doesn't work that way. He'd rather lose one game if it means progress on the way we play.
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***TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Wolves OMT***
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El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Yes, and no. I can see why you would say that, but I think sitting deep and inviting pressure as they did wasn’t the way to go for a win. They would settle for a point if they faced the circumstances of the Chelsea fixture. I really can’t see them going all out still to try to win the match as we did with Ange.
I think their mentality is more conservative than to just say to go all out to win matches. They want a control aspect; to be in a position in which they feel they have greater control of the outcome of the match rather than to take what they would consider as unnecessary risks in order to go for it. Their caution flies in the face of a mentality of doing whatever is needed to win matches. And definitely I’m happy that they’re no longer here as their matches mostly bored me to sleep.
Now with Ange, he goes all out to try to get the best result. He takes chances and will go for broke. He won’t accept 1-0 but would rather be bold and go for 2-0, 3-0 etc rather than sitting and trying to hold what we have. It’s that brave mentality of pushing to go for more, of throwing the dice and taking chances to win that, to me, is the winning mentality. As I said, I know we will lose matches, but we need to be going out there to do all that we can to win them. Thinking that we won’t stop until the final whistle.
The risk factor may fly in the face of my saying that we should push to win every match. But equally, if it’s 1-1 and into the last ten minutes, under Ange we will be going for it and pushing to win and that’s what I want to see. I want to see us always striving to win, always giving everything. It’s much better to go for a win in that situation and risk defeat than to sit back to conserve a point. The two point swing that a win would make as opposed to the only one for a draw or zero for a loss makes it so.
We do have to go with the mentality to win every match as it’s inexcusable to settle for anything less. As a club we shouldn’t be paying our players as highly as we do and accepting of anything but the players giving their all out on the pitch and that’s what we saw v Chelsea and what led to the standing ovation in spite of the final scoreline.
So I can see what you referred to saying that it was more the Conte/Mourinho style to go 1-0 up and shut up shop and to go for the confirned win. But that backfired too often from our experience with it. I want the players to be brave but to go all out, fight to win but never stop pushing for a greater win. I want the players to be everything that they can be, to show just how good a football team we are and to leave no one in any doubts. We are Tottenham Hotspur, we don’t settle, we push hard, we fight and we achieve the best results that we are capable of achieving.
As long as we do that we will have the crowd behind us and we will be the best that we can be. And that’s what everyone deserves.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Maddison withdrawn from the England squad so guess he’s out of this then.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Going to be intriguing tomorrow to see who steps in and who steps up.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Paul Walsh
I didnt read the Chelsea thread as I've not felt well this week and didnt want to feel any worse, I wish I hadnt started reading this, one defeat and all the pessimism comes flooding back. Im dissapointed at the Chelsea result but I knew we wouldnt go undefeated this season. At least the gloom and doom merchants will be happy.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
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Has to be
Hotspur75
Danny Murphy
Ok, so no Maddison, no Romero, no Van de Ven, no Udogie and no Richarlison to go with the ones we've been missing for a while. And question marks over Porro. Struggling to think what the team might look like. I would probably go for: Vicario; Royal, Dier, Hojbjerg, Davies; Bissouma, Sarr, Lo Celso; Deki, Son, Johnson.
And with Porro for Royal and Royal for Davies if Porro can play. It's going to be tough, good thing that Neto's out too.
And with Porro for Royal and Royal for Davies if Porro can play. It's going to be tough, good thing that Neto's out too.
glasgowspur
Dimitar Berbatov
With our injury list and ange philosophy this isn’t going to be a dull game.
Bench is going to be light ..
Hotspur75
Danny Murphy
Pff, did not want to think about that. Forster, Gil, Bentancur, Skipp, Veliz, Phillips, plus Davies if Porro is fit. Gil and Bentancur might have a role to play though.
Just watched snippets of the Rio meets Ange video. You just know that Ange is looking forward to setting the place on fire. A final score of 4-7 anyone?
the thing we can be sure of is that we won't be shrinking violets. Whatever 11 turns out they will go for it, look to be positive and win on the front foot. None of the apologetic 9 behind the ball flimflam that Conte served up.
I think Gil may play off the right and Kulu drop into midfield. Just a hunch.
I think Gil may play off the right and Kulu drop into midfield. Just a hunch.
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
It's the bedwetters who didn't think things would go well, so are glad of the chance to go hysterical so it validates their initial assessment of the manager who had essentially been making them look silly by surpassing expectations.
To a certain extent I get people being overly emotional at a home loss to Chelsea at the time but to still be throwing the toys out of the pram at this stage is a bit nuts.
However, the one thing that I myself am struggling to be positive about is the idea of Lo Celso stepping up, of course I hope he proves me wrong but what are the odds of him loving the idea of playing a potentially wet and windy game in the west midlands against a hard working and organized decent team. There's not much that has suggested to me that Gio wants to be here but looks like tomorrow will be an opportunity to show that the desire is there.
I'd rather have Kulu in Maddison's position, Brennan on the right and Richy on the left but that's not viable after our latest unfortunate long term injury. Maybe Son could go on the left and Veliz centre? Or Gill on the left thinking about it....Interesting to see how we line up.
Chrissivad
Eidur Gudjohnsen
I was thinking this yesterday as well.
There was an article praising Veliz and how (apparently) people have been impressed with him since he joined.
Would be a big call, but I think it would be a good balance.
Vicario
Porro Dier CB Royal
Bissouma
Kulusevski Sarr
Johnson Veliz Son
I would like Bentancur in, but probably still better to start him on the bench and get him more minutes late on. Then see where he is after the international break.Porro Dier CB Royal
Bissouma
Kulusevski Sarr
Johnson Veliz Son
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
-----------------------Vicario
Porro-------Phillips------------Dier-------Royal
------------Bissouma--------Bentancur
-----------------------Sarr
---Kulusevski--------Son-------Johnson
Maybe Bentancur and Sarr the other way round?
Or Gil in for Bentancur and Kulu moving to ACM?
Porro-------Phillips------------Dier-------Royal
------------Bissouma--------Bentancur
-----------------------Sarr
---Kulusevski--------Son-------Johnson
Maybe Bentancur and Sarr the other way round?
Or Gil in for Bentancur and Kulu moving to ACM?
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
You’d drop Bissouma? I think there’ll be enough enforced changes to the starting line without making that change as well.
Also our Midfield is generally one deep (Bissouma) and then 2 CMs further forward in Maddison and Sarr.
Dicko
Edgar Davids
That's what I think too. Although I think Ange mentioned in the Summer that he rated LoCelso and he had to be patient etc so maybe he chucks him in for this one. Who knows. It's still hard to believe we lost 5 players for this, 6 if Porro is out!
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I just had a random mental blank (probably remembering his Luton red). I was correcting/editing myself at the same time as you were.
I'm definitely a huge Bissuoma fan and definitely not a Hojbjerg one.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Lo Celso is done for me. The Fulham cup game was the final straw in terms of clearly nothing has changed. We're just ticking off the days till the January window with him.
Gil though at least offers promise, urgency and creativity. But I'd also use him on the right, with Kulu switching to the #10, just for the greater subtly you need in the lock picker role.