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****Tottenham Hotspur v Man Utd********* OMT Official

yiddo37 said:
Only saw the first half, thought we were playing quite well and were in with a chance of getting a result, then along came Cuti.
Shame about Udogie was starting to look back to his best, when will we ever get a break from injuries it's virtually every game.
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Yeh Udogie looked superb till the injury, I feel for the lad
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'm sorry that the referee sent me off is very different from I'm sorry I contested that ball. You can be regretful about the unfair consequence, as opposed to the action.
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He hasn’t said anything about being hard done by. Frank has said it was a red card, I know his word doesn’t carry much weight right now but all the same. Footballers almost always contest red cards and very rarely accept they’ve done anything wrong. If Frank, Romero or the dressing room thought the red card was harsh then I’m sure that’s the rhetoric we would be hearing.
 
Jurgen the German said:
He hasn’t said anything about being hard done by. Frank has said it was a red card, I know his word doesn’t carry much weight right now but all the same. Footballers almost always contest red cards and very rarely accept they’ve done anything wrong. If Frank, Romero or the dressing room thought the red card was harsh then I’m sure that’s the rhetoric we would be hearing.
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There is a whole other narrative which I could posit that makes enormous sense, the one where Romero is basically on a silence and behave order given his recent media dealings and Frank is essentially not interested in getting into it because by nature he is a deflator and not an inflator.

But it seems futile.
You have an opinion that you will balance as you need to.
As do I.

Best we move on.
 
yiddo37 said:
Refs are becoming too much of a focal point, they're there to manage the game not be the centre of attention.
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Football is ultimately a form of entertainment for us watching, so it's a valuable view, in my opinion. Also, maybe we would be able to easier understand some decisions if we could see situations from their perspective. I doubt refs would be more eager to take decision just to show off for the cam, to put it that way.
 
thfcsteff said:
There is a whole other narrative which I could posit that makes enormous sense, the one where Romero is basically on a silence and behave order given his recent media dealings and Frank is essentially not interested in getting into it because by nature he is a deflator and not an inflator.

But it seems futile.
You have an opinion that you will balance as you need to.
As do I.

Best we move on.
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The Palhinha yellow card was scandalous compared to the Romero red card. Palhinha’s tackle was strong but fair and he got the ball. How many times has Romero avoided red cards when he should have received his marching orders.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The Palhinha yellow card was scandalous compared to the Romero red card. Palhinha’s tackle was strong but fair and he got the ball. How many times has Romero avoided red cards when he should have received his marching orders.
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And that's the point with Romero, I'm not having this he's being victimised nonsense. He plays on the edge, sometimes he gets away with it and other times he doesn't.

Whether you want to agree with yesterdays red or not, he has done enough stupid things to warrant enough red cards regardless of yesterdays one. As I mentioned yesterday he has the most red cards of any player in the PL since the day he arrived here, it has nothing to do with his reputation he just is what he is....
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'm sorry that the referee sent me off is very different from I'm sorry I contested that ball. You can be regretful about the unfair consequence, as opposed to the action.
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There is no evidence that is what the apology was about. Why would he apologise for a referee’s error if he thought that to be the case?

Frank’s comments were that he had watched the incident five times and “it is a red card” and that Romero had “apologised to his teammates.” No mention of a mistake by the referee (in fact the opposite) - so I am not sure how you are deriving your current conclusion from what has been said by the manager, and by the actions after the game of the player who made the tackle.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The Palhinha yellow card was scandalous compared to the Romero red card. Palhinha’s tackle was strong but fair and he got the ball. How many times has Romero avoided red cards when he should have received his marching orders.
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I thought we agreed to move on.
If your desire is to simply have the last word, then go ahead if it helps my friend...
 
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Mikey10 said:
There is no evidence that is what the apology was about. Why would he apologise for a referee’s error if he thought that to be the case?

Frank’s comments were that he had watched the incident five times and “it is a red card” and that Romero had “apologised to his teammates.” No mention of a mistake by the referee (in fact the opposite) - so I am not sure how you are deriving your current conclusion from what has been said by the manager, and by the actions after the game of the player who made the tackle.
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I think it's more to do with TF's media handling skills. I've watched many now, and I'm pretty sure he uses a diffuser style with the press. Limited controversy and avoid getting into a confrontation with the press strategy.
He tells you everything in detail, but actually tells you nothing really.

It's completely the opposite of Ang and some other managers, who are very confrontational and defensive or offensive in their approach.

What did he say?
I've reviewed it 5 times (so no can challenge him and it's fits the narrative that he's analytical and he's the professional) so the amateurs like the press can't challenge him on perspective.
It's a red card he said, so based on the written law he's not refusing to get into an argument with the ref. Again the press can't challenge him on that.

Romero has apologised to his team mates and him (as he was in the same room). Can't challenge him again on Romero being so sort of pariah. The press can't challenge him on it.

Even things like the ridiculous injury situation at the club

He highlights the impact of it, without getting defensive about it. The press can't challenge him on it.

Where as Ang had the same problem and would get confrontational about it. Saying things like you try to deal with this situation. Defensive.

I'm paraphrasing, and that's my obsession from what I've been seeing.

It doesn't mean that that's what he thinks or is happening behind closed doors, it's just how he manages the press.

The press still try to get him to crack and say something... but he doesn't fall for the bait.

One of the last questions asked was are you going to strip Romero of the captaincy... his answer was No! And nothing else. End of conversation.

Others may have said "why should I?" Or "I'm the manager, I make the decision" Which would have given the press more to question and probe, and write.

I wouldn't take what TF says in the press conference with much ounce as evidence to what he really thinks.
 
SpurMeUp said:
We might have lost anyway. But it seem like we were a match for them. Possibly another draw with a full compliment.

The positives - which have been developing for the last 15 games - is our build up play. Genuinely better than most teams at passing the ball around. Partly due to Xavi finding his rhythm. And Gallagher helps too. Idk why the lamenters think this fast moving passing style is ugly to watch.

The bits that need fixing are the critical areas at both ends of the pitch. We make mistakes in defence - Romero today. And could Vic have got to their first goal? The main issue is we have to do better getting the ball into the oppositions net.

I’ll take away the spells where we dominated possession and worked the ball through them with pace in the first 30, we looked the better side in spells.
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Our build up play is woeful. That is why we barely create any chances other than from set pieces.
 
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