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**** Tottenham Hotspur FC vs Fulham FC ****
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Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
Villa aside, I stand by what I said, even V Villa it was a pretty poor first half by both sides, we scored twice early in the second half, then Mcginn lost his head and it's V 10.
We've had a week off, how will we cope with midweek games as well?
There at 10 games to go, is slogging the players at this stage a good idea?
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
We’re not slogging anyone
Watkins is on his 48th game on the Trot
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
No you have to say we dominated or you’ll hurt his feelings
jrh
Steve Hodge
No but as I understand it, we're pushing to the limits and beyond physically, both in training and in games, to prepare for seasons ahead.
Some off days physically could be a side effect of that.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
jrh
Steve Hodge
Nah no excuses, just trying to understand why it was such a drastic reduction in overall performance.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
A massive issue again for us (and it was at Villa first-half too) is that Romero will carry the ball and either miss the early movement of one of our fasties, or see no decent moveent ahead of him anywhere. I actually think he has very decent ball carrying/passing skills for a CB. Add Madders dropping deep to pick up the ball half the time, and it adds up to issues. BTW, this is where most of my issues around Bissouma lie. He is our 6, and as such, has a role at which he is meant to be one of the best in the league. Currently he is not performing to potential or even level, which means we end up with Maddison feeling he needs to roll back and spark from deeper himself, when we really need him 10-15 yards up the pitch. It is why I think Ange still wants to see if Bentancur can develop into a 6 as well as the 8 he is, alternately, it is why I think this is another position we have to have world class quality at. The much-mentioned Rice proves that you get what you pay for.
We are Tottenham
Kasey Keller
yep...no pressure with fans like we have on here!
Bishop
Terry Venables
Let's just say dominance of the ball is irrelevant if you don't actually do anything with it. It's just possession for possession sake.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Yeah I agree
But that’s not how we play
We play to draw the opposition out
Previously I’ve seen us murder teams on the half way line
jrh
Steve Hodge
You're arguing a moot point because no one is claiming possession for possession sake is dominance.
We're talking about working the opposition over with quick use of the ball while backing it up with an aggressive press. That fudges teams over, whether you or Carra want to admit it or not.
Bishop
Terry Venables
I did say "if you don't do anything with it" working the opposition over, moving their defence around and mentally fatiguing the opposition via intense pressure would count as doing something with the ball.
You see that as being the case Vs Villa in the first half, I can't say I really agree tbh. I'd have to watch the game again, but having watched it twice already I don't quite agree.
Mr Gogolak
Radek Cerny
Maybe another way to look at it is that 'dominating' doesn't really mean much in football. It's just something we use in our conversations to support a claim but we can't even agree on what it means. At the end of the day, football is about results: if you 'dominate' 38 games in a season and end up relegated, then there isn't much point to it.
Mid- and long-term trends are more interesting, I think. Even early in the season, we struggled against low-block teams (see Sheffield United at home). The main difference, for me, is that our movement off the ball has fallen down a cliff since December/January. Somtimes, Postecoglou has been able to find a solution by substituting players at the right times but I think his system is very dependant on stamina (our own and the opposition's) and despite a relatively light schedule (but also because of injuries), this team has left a lot to be desired in that department.
It's far from a disaster considering where we were in July. However, we may dominate as many games as we want by anyone's metrics over the next couple of months, if we can't work a way around our current problems, it will only add to the frustration.
Mid- and long-term trends are more interesting, I think. Even early in the season, we struggled against low-block teams (see Sheffield United at home). The main difference, for me, is that our movement off the ball has fallen down a cliff since December/January. Somtimes, Postecoglou has been able to find a solution by substituting players at the right times but I think his system is very dependant on stamina (our own and the opposition's) and despite a relatively light schedule (but also because of injuries), this team has left a lot to be desired in that department.
It's far from a disaster considering where we were in July. However, we may dominate as many games as we want by anyone's metrics over the next couple of months, if we can't work a way around our current problems, it will only add to the frustration.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
What are the current problems?
last week there werent any, this week there is
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
No team is perfect but the biggest ones for me are we concede too many goals and gift teams chances. There’s been games where teams have missed gilt edged chances against us before scoring. More often than not, the games we have lost the teams scored and you could hardly say it was out of the blue as they had missed chances before they eventually scored. I think we all expect growing pains this season and to see improvements next season. We need to tighten up and be more solid at the back.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Fully agree
yet people say we need better attackers
teh way we concede goals is really really poor
i can always handle worldies but there mainly of our making
that’s a Huge issue
bit Before yesterday we had conceded only one open play goal in our last 6 games IIRC
Bishop
Terry Venables
We do need better attackers, but then we also need that DM that adds security along with the back up LB and the first 11 capable AM to compete with Maddison. I don't even think that's the limit of what's needed but those would the priority positions imo.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I think Bergvahl is the Maddison cover/replacement so not a new signing
deffo need that left back cover and right too (although we some youth players there who may step up)
the 6 role is an issue now
for me we need 5 players this summer
those for, above and another WF in addition to Werner on a perm
and a 4th CB a he will play
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
We do need better forwards in addition to making the defence more robust and less leaky. None of the forwards are poor but the only one close to world class is Son.