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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

billyiddo said:
Xavi does not look a better player than either Kulusevski or Maddison and has a long way to go before he proves to be in this league. If Kudus can produce what Son did last season in terms of attacking numbers then that would be a big step up for him.
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I’d be stunned right now if any of out attackers produce decent numbers without seeing a passing midfield structure change
Frank wouldn’t know how good Maddison and Kulu are because he hasn’t had a chance to work with them
He did sign Xavi though for a lot of money
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’d be stunned right now if any of out attackers produce decent numbers without seeing a passing midfield structure change
Frank wouldn’t know how good Maddison and Kulu are because he hasn’t had a chance to work with them
He did sign Xavi though for a lot of money
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It doesn't matter whether or not he has seen them, you are saying we have better attacking options than last season - i dispute that

Richarlison is weaker than the injured Solanke (Muani is yet to get match fit and play a run of games to judge)

Xavi is not at the level of Maddison or Kulusevski - at least not while he beds in, there's potential there, though he has it all to prove in England and currently way off the pace.

Kudus over Johnson - correct, but he doesn't have a consistent record of producing goals or assists so this opens up the argument over where our goal/creative threat is supposed to come from.

Tel/Odobert vs Son - all 3 were at the club, the one who produced goals and assists has left, the 2 remaining players are both potential who have only shown brief glimpses of what might develop over time.



As things stand we are clearly weaker overall in attack on paper - there is some potential there but either through bedding in or age they are not there to make an instant impact.
 
billyiddo said:
It doesn't matter whether or not he has seen them, you are saying we have better attacking options than last season - i dispute that

Richarlison is weaker than the injured Solanke (Muani is yet to get match fit and play a run of games to judge)

Xavi is not at the level of Maddison or Kulusevski - at least not while he beds in, there's potential there, though he has it all to prove in England and currently way off the pace.

Kudus over Johnson - correct, but he doesn't have a consistent record of producing goals or assists so this opens up the argument over where our goal/creative threat is supposed to come from.

Tel/Odobert vs Son - all 3 were at the club, the one who produced goals and assists has left, the 2 remaining players are both potential who have only shown brief glimpses of what might develop over time.



As things stand we are clearly weaker overall in attack on paper - there is some potential there but either through bedding in or age they are not there to make an instant impact.
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Where did I say we had better options
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Where did I say we had better options
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You didn't say it directly but it's what was implied in the conversation being had.

If i have misread that then fair enough.

Edit : "they are better than what we had" with reference to Xavi Muani & Kudus - at this juncture is only 1 out 3 correct (Kudus)
 
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NaijaSpurs said:
If Frank wants to progress at Spurs he needs to learn how to play with Palhinha or Bentancur on a regular basis, not both of them.
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He needs to learn how to use his players effectively. He needs to instruct them tactically and coach them to be better players. Palhinha and Bentancur aren’t the best pairing in being adventurous but I think at least part of that is down to tactical instruction. Put Sarr in and if he’s advised to play in the same way, there won’t be any significant change in performance.
 
billyiddo said:
Xavi does not look a better player than either Kulusevski or Maddison and has a long way to go before he proves to be in this league. If Kudus can produce what Son did last season in terms of attacking numbers then that would be a big step up for him.
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Exactly.

If Kudus and Xavi produce Son and Maddison (or dare I say Johnson and Maddison) numbers I’ll eat my shoe.

I believe there is better to come from Kudus when he has quality around him and attacking intent in the system. He’s a danger to no one picking the ball up 70 yards from goal.

And let’s be straight - Frank did not arrive with a piece of paper that had buy Xavi and loan RKM at the top of it. I reckon we’re on to at least page 2 before we got to that scenario.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Frank played a back 5 and 2 defensive midfielders, that was criminally unambitious.
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I think the point for me is, you can do that with Kane, Son and Bale as a front 3 (I’m being extreme).

You can’t do it with Odobert, Richy and Kudus.

So therefore it was an ok idea but without the tools to execute - hence fail. So Frank has to find the right balance between strategy and tools. Pretty much the same as anyone in any work place.
 
Mikey10 said:
The truth is that Frank had much better attacking players at Brentford last season than he’s had available for us this season. Our squad is MILES off being able to consistently challenge top 4 teams, as evidenced by our PL finishing position last season.
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Yup.

Mbuemo, Wissa and Damsgaard all players who get in our attack and likely do a better job than what we've seen. The DM they had as well Nordgaard would also do a good job in possession. I don't think it's a wild take to say they had settled components that work better than again what we've seen.
 
harr1984 said:
When people talk about Sons numbers and Maddison's numbers what people don't seem to be factoring in is that they wouldn't be getting those numbers with the way Frank sets us up to play....
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That is true to a degree. But we sat in against City and won 4-0. We had players capable of getting us out. Solanke and Deki to hold the ball. Madders to pass. Son and Johnson with pace. They still played deep but were dangerous on the break. (Relates to my above post).

On the flip side, the current attacking crop would be much more effective playing most of their football around the opponents box - like the 2nd half of the Man U game.
 
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