glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Hell yeah! Would love that shiiiiiiiiit!!!
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Hell yeah! Would love that shiiiiiiiiit!!!
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
BushHillSpurs
Banned
Steff - Your right. I love reading Arsemania. Cheers me up no end to see how brick scared Arsenal fans are of our Bale.
They have no idea how they can stop him. First NLD for a long time that I cannot begin to understand how much is at stake.
COYS!!
They have no idea how they can stop him. First NLD for a long time that I cannot begin to understand how much is at stake.
COYS!!
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
\o/
Indeed mate...to be fair, but for Jordy's edits I'd never read their forums...but they are brilliant when I do see them!
I don't see how we can laugh at Arsenal
This is them at the worst and we still haven't pulled away from them, their form is almost as good as ours and while they aren't playing well they're still picking up points and to be honest we haven't actually been playing that well either
The NLD is key to this race with them, win it and we're 7 points clear while they have Everton and Munich up next but lose and they'll be within a point while we go up to Anfield next and they face Everton full of confidence following a NLD win (and Everton may have their eye on the cup)
This is them at the worst and we still haven't pulled away from them, their form is almost as good as ours and while they aren't playing well they're still picking up points and to be honest we haven't actually been playing that well either
The NLD is key to this race with them, win it and we're 7 points clear while they have Everton and Munich up next but lose and they'll be within a point while we go up to Anfield next and they face Everton full of confidence following a NLD win (and Everton may have their eye on the cup)
I've spent most of my life laughing at Arsenal, this is a much easier time to laugh at them than 10 years ago.
Yes, but this season and last season is about a 2 point difference for them... Their worst is every season, they've slowly declined and while it is hilarious that each season seems to be their worst season and they are in a crisis every year, it's just a case of them being only slightly worse than they were the year before. Hell, last season was their worst season before this season and they finished 3rd, which is like winning the league to them.
In the league, they haven't been that bad recently resultswise, we're on a massive unbeaten run and they've only taken a couple of points less than us in that time. But when the Arsenal team reaches their annual point of being out of all competitions, laughing at them is our duty as fans.
Yeah, but it's not a requirement for us to be ahead of them in the league to be able to laugh at them. Birmingham beating them in their last cup final and then getting relegated was hilarious, that's still funny to this day. I actually dread the day they next get to a cup final, not because they'll win it, but because they probably won't lose to a club that ended the season as a Championship club next time.
When it comes to this season, this NLD, this year's final league placings. It's not just about laughing at them, it's far more important to both clubs than that. It's a chance for Spurs to grab hold of a ledge and haul ourselves up as far as our standing in world football. Future players, future trophies, future money, future everything will be affected by this. For Arsenal they risk sliding down, into a world where their ridiculous wage structure makes their wage bill a problem, a world where they have to find a way to stop their decline, a decline that has been happening for years despite CL football... It is an opportunity for Arsenal to do a Liverpool... But Arsenal don't have the name Liverpool have, they don't have the commercial punch, it would be much easier for Arsenal to fudge up than Liverpool. This money they have been sitting on will suddenly be decimated by the loss of CL football. What will happen to their manager, their future, their season ticket prices?
The CL money goes up a ton this year, Chelsea have cheated us out of it and didn't even have the common courtesy to make the knockout phases. (Ha ha, the bastards.) With the PL money increase next year, we'll be in a very good position if we make the CL. The NLD is a effectively a 6 pointer. This battle for CL places is around as important as a relegation battle is, it's not just about laughing at Arsenal and the sky trailer for this NLD doesn't effectively capture all this.
On the other hand, seeing Wenger throw a water bottle, refuse to shake hands, explain the performance with whatever weak excuses he can think of and seeing the Arsenal crisis step up a level would be something to laugh at.
As for both teams picking up points without playing well, United spend 75% of seasons doing that sometimes.
Denmark Spur
Michael Carrick
Arsenal poised to be subjected to £1.5bn takeover bid from Middle East consortium within the next few weeks
The world’s biggest ever bid for a football club, dwarfing the £800 million paid by the Glazers for Manchester United, will be backed by funds from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
The group do not want their identities made public yet but a bid source told Telegraph Sport the intention is to buy out Arsenal’s American owner, Stan Kroenke, whose perceived weak stewardship of the club has also been called into question by frustrated supporter groups.
The cash offer, which is more than twice the amount at which Arsenal were valued two years ago, will be for 100 per cent of the club, and if successful would wipe out debts that stand at around £250 million according to the last full year’s financial results.
According to a bid source, there would be substantial transfer funds made available to transform the club into a major force in European and world football. There would also be a pledge to reduce ticket prices at the Emirates Stadium — currently among the highest in the world — as well as an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury.
The bid team has noted the damage caused by Kroenke, who owns two-thirds of the club, refusing to engage with Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov, who owns 29.96 per cent.
The bidders would like to unite the ownership, putting all the shares together in one fund. The offer will be for the full 62,217 shares which have been issued, but effectively it will be to buy out Kroenke, in the first instance, paying around £830 million for his 66.83 per cent shareholding (41,581). The offer equates to around £20,000 per share.
The deal would provide the American with an approximate profit of £400 million given the majority owner is believed to have paid around £430 million to build his stake in the club since he first became involved in 2007. When Kroenke made his mandatory cash offer for Arsenal in April 2011, buying up the stakes owned by Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, it valued the club at £731 million.
A meeting has already been requested with the American to discuss the proposed offer. The seriousness of the bid is reinforced by the recent successful takeovers of Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain by Middle East backers.
It is unlikely Usmanov will want to sell his shareholding, given his “dream” of taking control of Arsenal himself, but the Middle East consortium believes it will be able to work with the billionaire, who does not currently have a seat on the board and who has been frustrated in his attempts to get more involved.
Any takeover would inevitably raise questions over the future of manager Arsène Wenger, although the Frenchman is understood to be highly-regarded by the consortium They do not want to lose his football knowledge and want him to remain at the club.
But they are well aware that the last trophy won was the 2005 FA Cup and that Arsenal have become less of a rival to the Premier League's top clubs. They believe that the club have settled for relative mediocrity.
Arsenal travel on Sunday to north London rivals Tottenham with the club in a desperate fight to finish in the top four of the Premier League and qualify for next season’s Champions League. Arsenal currently lie in fifth place, four points behind their neighbours.
Despite protestations to the contrary, failure to qualify for the Champions League would undoubtedly have serious ramifications for Arsenal, who have been in Europe’s premier club competition for the past 16 years under Wenger.
A bid source told Telegraph Sport: “Arsenal is at a pivotal position at the moment. The fear is that the club is facing a cycle of decline like Liverpool. From our point of view it is the perfect moment to make this bid because at this moment in time you can still genuinely justify this extraordinary valuation on the club.
“We will not bid for Arsenal if they go into decline. Kroenke and Usmanov will not get this kind of valuation if Arsenal do not succeed and will not get this kind of valuation ever again.
“We think that bidding now is the key because it is going to give every shareholder maximum value. We are giving them peak valuation.
“The amount of capital required to pump into Arsenal to make it competitive within England, Europe and the world means that the valuation cannot go any higher.”
It makes the prospect of a gargantuan bid to buy the club all the more tantalising for frustrated Arsenal supporters.
“No big club can go eight years without winning anything,” the source added. “No manager of a big club, not even Sir Alex Ferguson, would have survived eight years without winning.” It is not an unreasonable statement.
Whether Wenger would voluntarily stay and work under a new regime is another question. Should a bid prove successful, Wenger would be in an awkward position, having previously criticised clubs with wealthy owners, accusing them of “financial doping”, although he has strong links with Paris St-Germain who, of course, also have Qatari owners.
Wenger’s current contract runs until June 2014 and it is understood that as things stand he has no intention of quitting even if Arsenal finish outside the top four, although he has faced growing calls to go.
The proposed new owners claim they are serious in their desire to turn Arsenal into a force again and also to do it in the right way. They say they do not want to acquire the club to make money but to invest.
The bid group believe that the ownership of Kroenke and his son and heir, Josh, has been at the heart of the club’s lack of competitiveness. They have also identified a lack of experience in football as a significant barrier to success.
“The biggest problem with Arsenal is that it has no owner, no face and there is no one to report to,” the bid source claimed. “The management of the club at every level is not put under scrutiny and does not have to report to anyone.”
The inference is that neither Kroenke nor his son has a feel for Arsenal — a claim which has been lent weight by the former’s absence from the Emirates Stadium — and that the current board lacks strength and leadership. Chief executive Ivan Gazidis has been criticised for being too deferential towards Wenger, who enjoys a huge amount of control at Arsenal.
The frustration over Kroenke’s failure to attend games and his lack of public communication has been frequently vented by supporters, who have criticised him at successive annual meetings. Kroenke does not like being called “Silent Stan” but he has lived up to the nickname.
Arsenal currently have a clear, self-sustaining structure, rejecting the benefactor model, with Wenger, the board and majority owner believing their approach will eventually succeed, especially with the incoming Uefa Financial Fair Play rules.
But there are genuine fears among fans that Arsenal are simply slipping away and becoming less competitive.
If successful, the bid would almost certainly take Arsenal to another level. The prospective owners claim their intention is to turn Arsenal into a major force in European football; one that will compete with Manchester United and Emirates Marketing Project for the Premier League title and with Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and PSG in the Champions League.
Given the nature and structure of the funding, the bidders say they are confident they will still be able to comply with FFP.
It is understood that they wish to maintain a degree of stability at the club, despite the upheaval of a takeover, although there would be a new board and, in all probability, a new chief executive as it is understood that Gazidis would be unlikely to be retained.
The bid team regard Arsenal as one of the great clubs of European football but also one that is no longer punching its weight and is in danger of falling behind.
Arsenal’s failure to hang on to their top talent has been a source of major unease at the club. Losing Holland international striker Robin van Persie — who left for Manchester United criticising a lack of ambition – Spain international Cesc Fabregas and France international Samir Nasri all hit hard.
The prospective owners claim there would be a firm commitment to a model of developing and keeping young players but also, and as a priority, to strengthening the squad so that those players, such as Jack Wheelchair, have no reason to leave in the future.
Wenger believes he has a core of a squad that can challenge but this is not a universally-held opinion with doubts over the strength of the spine of the team.
Even his most fervent supporters struggle to make a case that Wenger is on the verge of creating another great team or that the squad has depth and quality to compete despite a high wage bill.
The Middle East consortium claim to sympathise with Arsenal supporters and their contention that many of them have been priced out of following their club.
Supporters groups have already warned that generations of fans could be lost.
Ticket prices, among the highest in the world and an increasingly contentious issue, will be reduced, the bid source said, and there will be an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury within the Emirates Stadium.
The bid source added there was a real desire to “bring back some of the true supporters” who have been priced out or become disillusioned.
The disillusionment is undoubtedly there. Cup defeats to Bradford City and Blackburn Rovers heightened that sense as did the humiliating Champions League 3-1 defeat to Bayern Munich at the Emirates a fortnight ago, when the German side played with a verve and tempo Arsenal no longer recognise.
Finishing outside the top four would compound it even more especially if the proposed takeover is rejected. That would further increase the pressure on Kroenke in particular.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ast-consortium-within-the-next-few-weeks.html
The world’s biggest ever bid for a football club, dwarfing the £800 million paid by the Glazers for Manchester United, will be backed by funds from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
The group do not want their identities made public yet but a bid source told Telegraph Sport the intention is to buy out Arsenal’s American owner, Stan Kroenke, whose perceived weak stewardship of the club has also been called into question by frustrated supporter groups.
The cash offer, which is more than twice the amount at which Arsenal were valued two years ago, will be for 100 per cent of the club, and if successful would wipe out debts that stand at around £250 million according to the last full year’s financial results.
According to a bid source, there would be substantial transfer funds made available to transform the club into a major force in European and world football. There would also be a pledge to reduce ticket prices at the Emirates Stadium — currently among the highest in the world — as well as an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury.
The bid team has noted the damage caused by Kroenke, who owns two-thirds of the club, refusing to engage with Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov, who owns 29.96 per cent.
The bidders would like to unite the ownership, putting all the shares together in one fund. The offer will be for the full 62,217 shares which have been issued, but effectively it will be to buy out Kroenke, in the first instance, paying around £830 million for his 66.83 per cent shareholding (41,581). The offer equates to around £20,000 per share.
The deal would provide the American with an approximate profit of £400 million given the majority owner is believed to have paid around £430 million to build his stake in the club since he first became involved in 2007. When Kroenke made his mandatory cash offer for Arsenal in April 2011, buying up the stakes owned by Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, it valued the club at £731 million.
A meeting has already been requested with the American to discuss the proposed offer. The seriousness of the bid is reinforced by the recent successful takeovers of Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain by Middle East backers.
It is unlikely Usmanov will want to sell his shareholding, given his “dream” of taking control of Arsenal himself, but the Middle East consortium believes it will be able to work with the billionaire, who does not currently have a seat on the board and who has been frustrated in his attempts to get more involved.
Any takeover would inevitably raise questions over the future of manager Arsène Wenger, although the Frenchman is understood to be highly-regarded by the consortium They do not want to lose his football knowledge and want him to remain at the club.
But they are well aware that the last trophy won was the 2005 FA Cup and that Arsenal have become less of a rival to the Premier League's top clubs. They believe that the club have settled for relative mediocrity.
Arsenal travel on Sunday to north London rivals Tottenham with the club in a desperate fight to finish in the top four of the Premier League and qualify for next season’s Champions League. Arsenal currently lie in fifth place, four points behind their neighbours.
Despite protestations to the contrary, failure to qualify for the Champions League would undoubtedly have serious ramifications for Arsenal, who have been in Europe’s premier club competition for the past 16 years under Wenger.
A bid source told Telegraph Sport: “Arsenal is at a pivotal position at the moment. The fear is that the club is facing a cycle of decline like Liverpool. From our point of view it is the perfect moment to make this bid because at this moment in time you can still genuinely justify this extraordinary valuation on the club.
“We will not bid for Arsenal if they go into decline. Kroenke and Usmanov will not get this kind of valuation if Arsenal do not succeed and will not get this kind of valuation ever again.
“We think that bidding now is the key because it is going to give every shareholder maximum value. We are giving them peak valuation.
“The amount of capital required to pump into Arsenal to make it competitive within England, Europe and the world means that the valuation cannot go any higher.”
It makes the prospect of a gargantuan bid to buy the club all the more tantalising for frustrated Arsenal supporters.
“No big club can go eight years without winning anything,” the source added. “No manager of a big club, not even Sir Alex Ferguson, would have survived eight years without winning.” It is not an unreasonable statement.
Whether Wenger would voluntarily stay and work under a new regime is another question. Should a bid prove successful, Wenger would be in an awkward position, having previously criticised clubs with wealthy owners, accusing them of “financial doping”, although he has strong links with Paris St-Germain who, of course, also have Qatari owners.
Wenger’s current contract runs until June 2014 and it is understood that as things stand he has no intention of quitting even if Arsenal finish outside the top four, although he has faced growing calls to go.
The proposed new owners claim they are serious in their desire to turn Arsenal into a force again and also to do it in the right way. They say they do not want to acquire the club to make money but to invest.
The bid group believe that the ownership of Kroenke and his son and heir, Josh, has been at the heart of the club’s lack of competitiveness. They have also identified a lack of experience in football as a significant barrier to success.
“The biggest problem with Arsenal is that it has no owner, no face and there is no one to report to,” the bid source claimed. “The management of the club at every level is not put under scrutiny and does not have to report to anyone.”
The inference is that neither Kroenke nor his son has a feel for Arsenal — a claim which has been lent weight by the former’s absence from the Emirates Stadium — and that the current board lacks strength and leadership. Chief executive Ivan Gazidis has been criticised for being too deferential towards Wenger, who enjoys a huge amount of control at Arsenal.
The frustration over Kroenke’s failure to attend games and his lack of public communication has been frequently vented by supporters, who have criticised him at successive annual meetings. Kroenke does not like being called “Silent Stan” but he has lived up to the nickname.
Arsenal currently have a clear, self-sustaining structure, rejecting the benefactor model, with Wenger, the board and majority owner believing their approach will eventually succeed, especially with the incoming Uefa Financial Fair Play rules.
But there are genuine fears among fans that Arsenal are simply slipping away and becoming less competitive.
If successful, the bid would almost certainly take Arsenal to another level. The prospective owners claim their intention is to turn Arsenal into a major force in European football; one that will compete with Manchester United and Emirates Marketing Project for the Premier League title and with Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and PSG in the Champions League.
Given the nature and structure of the funding, the bidders say they are confident they will still be able to comply with FFP.
It is understood that they wish to maintain a degree of stability at the club, despite the upheaval of a takeover, although there would be a new board and, in all probability, a new chief executive as it is understood that Gazidis would be unlikely to be retained.
The bid team regard Arsenal as one of the great clubs of European football but also one that is no longer punching its weight and is in danger of falling behind.
Arsenal’s failure to hang on to their top talent has been a source of major unease at the club. Losing Holland international striker Robin van Persie — who left for Manchester United criticising a lack of ambition – Spain international Cesc Fabregas and France international Samir Nasri all hit hard.
The prospective owners claim there would be a firm commitment to a model of developing and keeping young players but also, and as a priority, to strengthening the squad so that those players, such as Jack Wheelchair, have no reason to leave in the future.
Wenger believes he has a core of a squad that can challenge but this is not a universally-held opinion with doubts over the strength of the spine of the team.
Even his most fervent supporters struggle to make a case that Wenger is on the verge of creating another great team or that the squad has depth and quality to compete despite a high wage bill.
The Middle East consortium claim to sympathise with Arsenal supporters and their contention that many of them have been priced out of following their club.
Supporters groups have already warned that generations of fans could be lost.
Ticket prices, among the highest in the world and an increasingly contentious issue, will be reduced, the bid source said, and there will be an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury within the Emirates Stadium.
The bid source added there was a real desire to “bring back some of the true supporters” who have been priced out or become disillusioned.
The disillusionment is undoubtedly there. Cup defeats to Bradford City and Blackburn Rovers heightened that sense as did the humiliating Champions League 3-1 defeat to Bayern Munich at the Emirates a fortnight ago, when the German side played with a verve and tempo Arsenal no longer recognise.
Finishing outside the top four would compound it even more especially if the proposed takeover is rejected. That would further increase the pressure on Kroenke in particular.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ast-consortium-within-the-next-few-weeks.html
Not quite sure how buying out 100% of the club allows Usminov to keep his 30%+ share? Still if true we are buggered for future fourth place.:-k
thejazzman
Jason Cundy
fudge. Hopefully they get lost flying over North London and see White Hart Lane instead.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Just media mind games before the derby:-"
Naughton16
Clive Wilson
Convienient timing for this story isn't it?
No doubt the new owners first job will be to undo all the campaining they've been doing for tougher FFP rules.
No doubt the new owners first job will be to undo all the campaining they've been doing for tougher FFP rules.
All those Spurs fans who insist that they would never want Spurs to be owned by a wealthy benefactor........I wonder whether their stance might soften if this story proved to be true and if Kroenke was to sell to this consortium.
Aloofly sitting on a high horse and revelling in imagined moral superiority wouldn't begin to make up for the pain of seeing Arsenal returning to the top table in one fell swoop and consigning Spurs to perpetual inferiority.
Aloofly sitting on a high horse and revelling in imagined moral superiority wouldn't begin to make up for the pain of seeing Arsenal returning to the top table in one fell swoop and consigning Spurs to perpetual inferiority.
Midfield Maestro
Gheorge Popescu
£1.5 Billion good grief, and that is just peanuts for them... some people have it so easy...
Superhudd
Simon Davies
The arabs have hit the panic button. Could this be the City family owners snapping up Arsenal to put two fingers up to FFP and the Premier League.
They are determined to topple Utd. haha
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
We're not that attractive, located in what is widely perceived to be a dump, with an owner reluctant to sell and struggling to finance a new stadium. The playing side is secondary to the prospects of both publicity and returns.
In any case, it's very strange, the timing of this announcement. Why on Earth would Kroenke sell up? With FFP coming into force, Arsenal look set to return to the top table anyway, with Chelsea and City soon to become the last of the petro-dollar clubs, if Platini has his way. And if he does decide to sell to this strange Middle-Eastern consortium, they'd be essentially hamstrung from the start anyway. It's not like United, Munich and the rest of the former G8-10 would agree to the abolishment of FFP rules just because it's Arsenal that's suddenly doing the spending: they'd be just as determined to press on with FFP as always. So all the new owners would be able to spend on are the stadium and the training ground, both of which are brand new already. Adding 20,000 seats to the Emirates will just make it more of a graveyard than it already is, and no amazing multi-million dollar training facility on Earth can make the likes of Gervinho and Frimpong into proper footballers.
Pointless, and palpably suspicious.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
<<as well as an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury>>
:ross:
Alright then, I'll be happy to help with that...Crawley? Time to dust off the old school 'walk into the North Bank' Adidas? The only time that fudging brickhole had any atmosphere in it was when we were on it LOL!!!
We could also help paint them another mural (the mural was louder!)...****s!
:ross:
Alright then, I'll be happy to help with that...Crawley? Time to dust off the old school 'walk into the North Bank' Adidas? The only time that fudging brickhole had any atmosphere in it was when we were on it LOL!!!
We could also help paint them another mural (the mural was louder!)...****s!
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Are you serious? He's just an investor. He has no love or connection to the club he has invested 430m and will get 400m profit on that if he cashes in his chips.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I am aware of that. However, there is no reason to think he wouldn't get that amount if he just stayed in control anyway. Arsenal, like I said, are poised to come back to the front row, due to FFP's impending arrival and the ensuing effects on PL spending. He can make that and more if he gives it a decade at the helm (creaming off the profits) before selling up,all the while lapping up the prestige that comes from being the owner of one of the supposed 'footballing elite' here in the UK.