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Spurs v Stoke - Official match thread

I wouldn't mind if it was a once off but it's been a similar lack of effort for weeks, bar the City match where I thought we were unlucky.It's very worrying that he's picking players that are not on form nor making up for it with effort. With the exception of a few players we've totally switched off.

I don't think it is a quality issue. We have more quality than Stoke. And when I look at the Stoke team I can't see any of them that would be considered better than their Spurs counterparts but they totally bossed us in that match by doing the basics right and simply putting the effort in. Gahhhh.
This is worrying as it means that the players are not playing for the manager.... It is (usually) players that get managers sacked, looks like ours are having a go at it and I wonder why?... I hope it's not because they feel that the tactics are poor or that they feel team selection is not meritocracy based, because if either of those things then we're in trouble.
 
This is worrying as it means that the players are not playing for the manager.... It is (usually) players that get managers sacked, looks like ours are having a go at it and I wonder why?... I hope it's not because they feel that the tactics are poor or that they feel team selection is not meritocracy based, because if either of those things then we're in trouble.

Wait, the players that ARE playing (because they are part of a longer term plan) are unhappy about the meritocracy?

We have very little to gain by playing the ones that we desperately want rid off in the summer and none of them are anywhere near as good as is being suggested in some posts. Players not in the team are always getting hyped up for some strange reason.
 
As in the other thread, who else is there? We need to put out someone and by GHod it should not be that clam Adebayor.
I thought we had signed a young US international full/wing back called Yedlin in the summer and brought him in to the squad in Jan?.... Must be my mistake though.
 
I thought we had signed a young US international full/wing back called Yedlin in the summer and brought him in to the squad in Jan?.... Must be my mistake though.

We did. Have anyone here watched him in training and know whether he's up to it? Maybe he's just on the bench to get used to the experience of match day. Maybe it was never the intention for him to even this much involved with the first team so soon, but a lack of numbers has forced it.
 
We did. Have anyone here watched him in training and know whether he's up to it? Maybe he's just on the bench to get used to the experience of match day. Maybe it was never the intention for him to even this much involved with the first team so soon, but a lack of numbers has forced it.
If Yedlin's training performances are worse than Chiriches' ones in first team games then we should seek proof that Seattle haven't sent us a lookalike instead of the actual player we saw in the World Cup.
 
If Yedlin's training performances are worse than Chiriches' ones in first team games then we should seek proof that Seattle haven't sent us a lookalike instead of the actual player we saw in the World Cup.

I know the saying 'put me in there and I could do a better job than him' gets bandied around a lot in the football world, but I actually think most of us could be given a run out in his place and Poch would be satisfied.
 
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I know the saying 'put me in there and I could do a better job than him' gets bandied around a lot in the football world, but I actually think most of us could be given a run out in his place and Poch would be satisfied.
Was it 8 million we paid for Chiriches?.... His old club must be laughing their tits off!
 
If Yedlin's training performances are worse than Chiriches' ones in first team games then we should seek proof that Seattle haven't sent us a lookalike instead of the actual player we saw in the World Cup.

This is classic Spurs fan overrating. See someone play well once or twice for another side and immediately assume they're, if not world class, then definitely better than anyone we have. Same with Lennon now as well.
 
This is classic Spurs fan overrating. See someone play well once or twice for another side and immediately assume they're, if not world class, then definitely better than anyone we have. Same with Lennon now as well.
It's not overrating... Yedlin could be absolute tripe for all i know.... It's just that Chiriches is an absolute joke, but the joke is now wearing thin so we might as well try some new material.
 
It's an interesting debate. But in your paradigm surely jumping into the elite would massively benefit ENIC (as doing so provides the biggest jump in revenue a football club can get). Given how close we came to doing that between 2010 and 2012, why do you think ENIC would have purposefully limited net spend on players during that period? An oversight on their part, thinking that we were going to achieve it without needing to spend more? Just being risk-averse, and focusing on building the stadium instead?

Risks weren't worth it in ENIC's mind, most likely. Consider that they paid some 22 million pounds in total to gain control over Spurs - they would probably have to spend at least that to ensure our CL qualification in 2012 (a top player + wages), and they would also have set a precedent of (gasp!) backing a manager on the cusp of achieving something, which would likely have meant more expenditures further on in similar situations. Why do that, when the reward to them wouldn't have mattered much? Again, consider that Lewis apparently wants one billion pounds for the club (forty-five times what he paid for it), and that's without the exposure of being in the elite, with only the new stadium to show as a reason for his ludicrous valuation of THFC. Very, very, very few people would want to pay that sum for a football club. How much more could he have inflated the price if we had entered the elite via ENIC's financial backing? I'd wager not much more than what he's asking for now, since the price already stretches the bounds of reason. So the cost (increased spending to aid Spurs live up to their damn motto) probably wasn't worth the risk. And again, that's where our interests diverge.

He pulled out of the U21 squad for the chance to train and possibly get games for our first team. I wish that was much more common, the international u21 teams should be focused on helping the clubs develop players instead of on winning games.

He has been RB cover. He's started 15 league games there this season, that makes him RB cover. He was even preferred to Naughton as RB cover early on in the season.

He pulled out of the U21 team to get games at CB. He said it himself, and so did Southgate. The issue wasn't him not getting games, he got quite a few of them and would have got more. The issue was him wanting to play at CB and develop his attributes for that position, while absolutely hating the thought of playing RB unless the team genuinely needed him to do so.

We did him no favors by making him play at RB, and are doing him no favors by playing him there now, while making our team suffer for the lack of a specialist right full-back who can maraud down the flanks and provide crosses/through-balls from the by-line, to say nothing of Dier's own struggles in that position.

He was never RB cover. No one here considered him an RB when we signed him, and he himself did not consider himself an RB (or even suited to the position of full-back) at all. There is no conceivable way that he was signed to cover at RB. The fact that he did is a result of his barnstorming start in the position, but he regressed to the mean very quickly after that. Despite this, we sell Naughton, our only specialist backup RB, and replace him with Yedlin, who we never play. And now we are supposed to believe that this was a decision that was made in order to 'develop' Dier? Again, braine, that's simply inconceivable in light of all the above.
 
This is classic Spurs fan overrating. See someone play well once or twice for another side and immediately assume they're, if not world class, then definitely better than anyone we have. Same with Lennon now as well.

I agree with you about Yedlin, the way some fans have talked about him you would think he is the answer to all our pace and RB problems, this is on a couple of decent games for his country. What's the bet some of those same fans will be screaming he is brick if he does not perform from the start.

As for Lennon I disagree, he is still the best RM we have and should be playing for us.
 
I agree with you about Yedlin, the way some fans have talked about him you would think he is the answer to all our pace and RB problems, this is on a couple of decent games for his country. What's the bet some of those same fans will be screaming he is crud if he does not perform from the start.

As for Lennon I disagree, he is still the best RM we have and should be playing for us.
I doubt that Yedlin is the answer to all of our problems (after all we seem to have lots of those). However he could be he solution to a problem called 'Chiriches'.
 
I know the saying 'put me in there and I could do a better job than him' gets bandied around a lot in the football world, but I actually think most of us could be given a run out in his place and Poch would be satisfied.

Don't know how many people watch the 'Away Days' videos on Youtube, but the most recent one (away at Fiorentina) has a bit where the bloke who makes them mentions that even if he was stripped and beaten in the center circle prior to the game, he'd still have been able to do a better job than Chiriches. :p
 
Travelled from Leeds. M62 closed. Listened to the whole of Everton V Sunderland in a traffic jam (The Woodhead Pass is genuinely English scenery at its most spectacular but not when you're trying to get to the match). Listened to the first half on the M6. Arrived at the arse end of half-time (free parking was a plus). Queued for a beer (by that I mean stood next to a guy who was being served by a woman who spent 5 minutes flirting with him) only to be told by the "Lady" who was serving that they were now closed! Joined the queue for a hot chocolate, they turned the lights out (and what's with all those grills have we gone back to the 80s?). Asked the guy on the now closed doors if I can nip out to the burger van outside and get a coffee, "You can but you can't come back in". "you've got to be joking I've only been here 10 fecking minutes!!!!!!". To be fair to the guy he got the girl behind the counter to get me a hot chocolate. Got onto the terracing to watch Chiriches disappearing down the tunnel to be boos from our supporters!?!?!? Watched precisely 35 minutes of the match.

Currently tinkleed of with the team, tinkleed off with the scummy crud hole that is Stoke (seriously considering never going there again, it's not often the most welcoming people in the place are the coppers :-/) but mainly tinkleed off with our own fans who seem to have forgotten the meaning of the word support.

Feel for you totally. Luckily we didnt have as far to go, only a 30min drive 5 junctions down the M6, but you still get f#cked off.

As you say, the booing was out of order, rather our own fans just stayed quiet. Away support after kick-off (pre-match was amazing) was unusually subdued, but it is a two-way street, the team were offering nothing for the fans to get excited about.

Hopefully Saturday will be a different kettle of fish and the players perform and the fans can have an enjoyable home programme season finale
 
Don't know how many people watch the 'Away Days' videos on Youtube, but the most recent one (away at Fiorentina) has a bit where the bloke who makes them mentions that even if he was stripped and beaten in the center circle prior to the game, he'd still have been able to do a better job than Chiriches. :p

Those vids are awesome, funnily enough we spotted them at Stoke last season and never did see if they posted a vid for that match
 
Those vids are awesome, funnily enough we spotted them at Stoke last season and never did see if they posted a vid for that match


Closest I could find. Same match? And yeah, they're ace: given that I've only ever seen us play live three times (one last summer in Toronto, so not sure if that counts :p ), the Away Days vids are pretty much my only affordable way to get a sense of what following Spurs around the country/Europe really feels like. :p
 
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