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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

MartyFunkhouser said:
Well one side is using that statement to peddle their bigotry, so best to ask them. The rest of us do so mockingly as a joke so the reasoning is fairly evident. I think having seen a fair bit of racism and bigotry on this forum over the last 18 months to 2 years that mocking that train of thought....its justified



I dont disagree with the overall sentiment here
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Again, I wasn't trying to single out any individual. If anything, I think this thread is a good example of how entrenched people can become, to the point where they're unwilling to concede any ground or meet somewhere in the middle.

Whenever a horrific incident makes the headlines, it seems to inevitably become an argument over race, religion or politics, rather than everyone simply condemning what happened and showing some empathy for the victims.

I've said what I wanted to say, and I was keen to reply to the comments directed at me. Thanks to everyone who engaged with me, even if we don't agree on everything. I always appreciate the conversation, and hopefully we can continue to disagree without assuming the worst of each other.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I do it the most. And it's because I've been asked point blank to condemn and explain behavior of Pakistanis and Muslims I have never met by posters on here. And this is down to my shared culture apparently.

That's what started it. And now it's a running joke.

Similar to when Marky recently said he didn't believe diversity is a strength in the UK. I'll remind him of that regularly. It's such an awful statement I don't want to let it disappear in to logs of Markys horrific posts.
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I'll sign off this conversation by saying thank you for listening to my point of view.

For what it's worth, I think I'd be utterly fed up as well if I routinely experienced the kind of discrimination you've described. I can't pretend to know what that's like, but I can understand why it would wear anyone down.

I also accept that being white in this country has afforded me certain advantages. Personally, I find the word "advantages" more helpful than "privilege", but regardless of the terminology, I recognise that not everyone starts from the same place or has the same experiences.

Thanks again for the conversation. Even where we disagree, I appreciate the chance to exchange views respectfully.
 
Jurgen the German said:
No change in this thread then.
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I think you miss the point: it's satire. The unwritten part of @Baleforce's post (without meaning to speak for them) is that they doesn't believe it's their culture. It's an open mocking of the very idea that any one particular crime or type of crime is due to a person's race/religion/culture/political persuasion or whatever. An open mocking of a few particular people who only pop up in this thread to share news on crimes committed by certain types of people.
 
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revlis said:
I think you miss the point: it's satire. The unwritten part of @Baleforce's post (without meaning to speak for them) is that they doesn't believe it's their culture. It's an open mocking of the very idea that any one particular crime or type of crime is due to a person's race/religion/culture/political persuasion or whatever. An open mocking of a few particular people who only pop up in this thread to share news on crimes committed by certain types of people.
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No I get the satire part, I just don’t think much will change re the points scoring.
 
Jurgen the German said:
No I get the satire part, I just don’t think much will change re the points scoring.
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There's still people who think my culture is the reason crimes are committed on here. They won't back track. It's perfectly reasonable for us to ask them to apply their prejudices consistently. And doing it flippanlty is hardly a big deal.

It isn't even point scoring. It's exposing the fallacy of said prejudices.

Obviously, you are welcome to find it distasteful.
 
LutonSpurs said:
There's still people who think my culture is the reason crimes are committed on here. They won't back track. It's perfectly reasonable for us to ask them to apply their prejudices consistently. And doing it flippanlty is hardly a big deal.

It isn't even point scoring. It's exposing the fallacy of said prejudices.

Obviously, you are welcome to find it distasteful.
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I’ve no issue with your approach specifically and I commend you for not giving up and trying to engage with people even if it seems like a lost cause. More of that is needed. I would respectfully say in SOME cases it’s done flippantly but not all.
 
LutonSpurs said:
There's still people who think my culture is the reason crimes are committed on here. They won't back track. It's perfectly reasonable for us to ask them to apply their prejudices consistently. And doing it flippanlty is hardly a big deal.

It isn't even point scoring. It's exposing the fallacy of said prejudices.

Obviously, you are welcome to find it distasteful.
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Sometimes satire is all you're left with 🤷
 
Jurgen the German said:
I’ve no issue with your approach specifically and I commend you for not giving up and trying to engage with people even if it seems like a lost cause. More of that is needed. I would respectfully say in SOME cases it’s done flippantly but not all.
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I would say as the two who do it most prolific, Luton and myself, I can say the majority is flippant and mockery. I will let others clarify their place if they feel they want to (I am sure LM did the same).

With all due respect and I could be wrong, but you seemingly are reticent to accept that one side might be only joking because you have laid your flag in the sand on it, given the examples you gave previously about Labour and co its clear as to which side you have most Umbridge with (likely why you said the Trump playing golf with Kane would upset people on here too).
 
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Jurgen the German said:
I’ve no issue with your approach specifically and I commend you for not giving up and trying to engage with people even if it seems like a lost cause. More of that is needed. I would respectfully say in SOME cases it’s done flippantly but not all.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that reads to me like Luton is allowed to push back because it's people like him who are targeted. That's exactly why I will always speak up. I believe it's even more important to stand up to those voices and be an ally to minorities or those being bullied, abused or whatever the verb is. To be silent is to be complicit in my opinion.

Satire and mockery is a great way to do that.
 
robp135 said:
Il be clear. I’ve never said that. Or anything even remotley close to that.
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Nobody has the energy to debate someone as obtuse and insincere as you. So please reply to this with one word or something and be on your way. Or stick around and chat nonsense. I'd rather you didn't of course.
 
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What the fudge is wrong with these bastards.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I would say as the two who do it most prolific, Luton and myself, I can say the majority is flippant and mockery. I will let others clarify their place if they feel they want to (I am sure LM did the same).

With all due respect and I could be wrong, but you seemingly are reticent to accept that one side might be only joking because you have laid your flag in the sand on it, given the examples you gave previously about Labour and co its clear as to which side you have most Umbridge with (likely why you said the Trump playing golf with Kane would upset people on here too).
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I'll be frank: I get more frustrated with the left than the right because I expect more from them. I've voted Labour throughout my adult life, although if I'm honest it's been as much out of habit as conviction over the last few elections.

What frustrates me most is the attitude that some people on the left bring to debate. That's partly what prompted my post in the other thread—the one you gave a thumbs down to. Too often, it feels as though disagreement is treated as something to be dismissed rather than engaged with.

Ironically, I think Luton is one of the better debaters on here. Given his background and some of the posts directed at him, he'd probably have more reason than most to be combative, yet he generally isn't.

I'll probably collect a few more thumbs down for saying all this, but that's fine.
 
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