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LutonSpurs said:
I think our security services are incredible at stopping these before they happen. And guns being hard to get hold of is probably the most important issue.
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But is that worth the downside of public schoolboys not having the freedom to shoot handguns for fun whilst they’re at Oxbridge?!

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Rupert Lowe said handguns were banned in the UK because of “one murder up in Dunblane”
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To sum up this thread: when a white person commits a horrific crime, certain people are outraged. When a non-white person commits a horrific crime, a different group of people are outraged. Wouldn't it be more sensible if we could all agree that abuse and violence are wrong, regardless of who commits them, and stop treating these cases as opportunities for point-scoring?

I see the same pattern in the politics thread, which is one of the reasons I post there less and less. A scandal involving the Conservatives or Reform prompts a pile-on, while a similar scandal involving Labour is often downplayed or simply ignored.

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular. It's just a pattern I've noticed over the past few months. Some posters may contribute more than others to inflaming tensions, but it would be good if we could at least reach a consensus on condemning crimes consistently and accepting that individuals are responsible for their own actions, not those of their race or religion.

That doesn't mean we should ignore cultural attitudes that contribute to the mistreatment of women. We shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge those issues where they exist. At the same time, we should recognise that violence and harassment against women are not confined to any one culture or community. They are widespread problems, and there is still much more to be done in this country to tackle them.

For example, no woman should have to feel afraid to go for a run, even in broad daylight, because she's worried about being followed or harassed.
 
Jurgen the German said:
To sum up this thread: when a white person commits a horrific crime, certain people are outraged. When a non-white person commits a horrific crime, a different group of people are outraged. Wouldn't it be more sensible if we could all agree that abuse and violence are wrong, regardless of who commits them, and stop treating these cases as opportunities for point-scoring?

I see the same pattern in the politics thread, which is one of the reasons I post there less and less. A scandal involving the Conservatives or Reform prompts a pile-on, while a similar scandal involving Labour is often downplayed or simply ignored.

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular. It's just a pattern I've noticed over the past few months. Some posters may contribute more than others to inflaming tensions, but it would be good if we could at least reach a consensus on condemning crimes consistently and accepting that individuals are responsible for their own actions, not those of their race or religion.

That doesn't mean we should ignore cultural attitudes that contribute to the mistreatment of women. We shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge those issues where they exist. At the same time, we should recognise that violence and harassment against women are not confined to any one culture or community. They are widespread problems, and there is still much more to be done in this country to tackle them.

For example, no woman should have to feel afraid to go for a run, even in broad daylight, because she's worried about being followed or harassed.
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Everything I post is to ultimately get to the point that it isn't about race or culture. I say flippant things but I do not think English culture or white people are worse or better than anyone else. I don't dislike diversity. If it came across like I did then I'm sorry.

I think all people should be afforded the same caution, based on what they say and do. Not based on where they are from and what skin colour they are.

Either way, this is a welcome post my friend. Thank you
 
Jurgen the German said:
To sum up this thread: when a white person commits a horrific crime, certain people are outraged. When a non-white person commits a horrific crime, a different group of people are outraged. Wouldn't it be more sensible if we could all agree that abuse and violence are wrong, regardless of who commits them, and stop treating these cases as opportunities for point-scoring?
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Thats literally the point being made nearly every day.

No one is more outraged when a white person commits a crime, the reason its highlighted is because there has been a theme of bigotry on here and people, including myself, highlight evil existing everywhere. The difference is, I am not attacked for being white or my culture when a crime by a white person happens, others are when its a different ethnicity.

There is alot of p1ss taking with posts like "must be their culture" but thats off the back of the above and seems the most civil way of dealing with the balance at times

Every rational person here knows and acknowledges crime and horrific acts happening everywhere. Unless someone can point out someone or somewhere its said differently
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
I think you are coming from a perspective of it must be a particular race or culture that is responsible for every atrocity whereas that is clearly not the case if you look at the UK as a whole. Yes in certain areas such as Rotherham and Bradford and others in past the perpetrators were largely (but not exclusively) of a particular background. And no one, and certainly not @LutonSpurs , pretends that isn’t the case. What happened in those towns was horrendous and was as much to do with the police and other authorities totally dismissing the victims as being low lifers and/or prostitutes as it was concerns about upsetting community relations. Both are wrong. The former imo worse so.
The reason things get posted on this thread is because this is a thread that is mainly intended to highlight the awful things that happen in our world and our society. If it seems to you that there is a preponderance of post about white men carrying out these horrendous acts then it’s because it’s a reaction to everyone who wants to highlight any non-white abuser. But ignores that colour or immigration status really isn’t the issue.
You are clever in how you frame your posts but there is definitely a touch (at best) of racism in what you post.
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We don’t really know whether or not that is true yet. I think that is why it is essential that a public inquiry is held.
 
Jurgen the German said:
To sum up this thread: when a white person commits a horrific crime, certain people are outraged. When a non-white person commits a horrific crime, a different group of people are outraged. Wouldn't it be more sensible if we could all agree that abuse and violence are wrong, regardless of who commits them, and stop treating these cases as opportunities for point-scoring?

I see the same pattern in the politics thread, which is one of the reasons I post there less and less. A scandal involving the Conservatives or Reform prompts a pile-on, while a similar scandal involving Labour is often downplayed or simply ignored.

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular. It's just a pattern I've noticed over the past few months. Some posters may contribute more than others to inflaming tensions, but it would be good if we could at least reach a consensus on condemning crimes consistently and accepting that individuals are responsible for their own actions, not those of their race or religion.

That doesn't mean we should ignore cultural attitudes that contribute to the mistreatment of women. We shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge those issues where they exist. At the same time, we should recognise that violence and harassment against women are not confined to any one culture or community. They are widespread problems, and there is still much more to be done in this country to tackle them.

For example, no woman should have to feel afraid to go for a run, even in broad daylight, because she's worried about being followed or harassed.
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I agree the point scoring needs to stop and that it’s gone over board. It shouldn’t spill out in to the spurs chat either. The condemnation everyone agrees on and for the most part if goes without saying.

Personally I am interested in why these crimes happen. Some crimes are regionalised or more prominent within certain demographics. In some places I think culture bares part of the responsibility. Sometimes more and sometimes not at all. Grooming Gangs is one example. Catholic priest scandal is another where I think it plays a major part. Conversations will get uncomfortable.
 
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